Cross, U-Mix Control Pro 2 and Master Volume issues

[rhopkins]

Question 2 of the day.

For some time now I've had this issue and I just can't figure it out. I feel like I must be being a n00b DJ!

Every mix I record is a lot quieter than any other audio track I might listen to.

I've experimented a lot and I can't push the Master Volume in Cross any higher without tripping the volume warning indicator on my U-Mix Control Pro 2 - and of course I can see me hitting the reds in Cross.

It means I'm always having to adjust the Master Volume throughout a mix...now "Gain" I hear you shout. If I have the option ticked, isn't Cross supposed to manage this between tracks? I feel like it really isn't.

I'm willing to be taught a lesson here, whether it's just how to manage this in general or technically with Cross and my controller. But at the moment I'm getting really frustrated about 1) Low overall mix volume and 2) Noticeable differences in volumes between tracks.

PS Nearly all of my tracks are purchased from the iTunes store, or at the very least all good quality so I don't think this is the cause.

[daniel clark]

hopefully the track are anyalised for gain ,, which should keep then realitively the same ,, i know you know how to adjust the track gain in the info section of the software ,, to compensate for track levels that are not properly set by the anyalise ,, happens due to the nature of the anylise /track ,,you can tell if the track anylise is off by the signal meters in the fader section ,,
as for recording levels ,, have seen when rec samples within Cross the levels are low ,i adjust the track/sample gain to compensate ,, overall the recorded mix i find is slightly lower also ,, but by anylising the rec it is adjusted ,, ,, maybe that me compensating for this ,, but havent had much difficulty in thease issues

[rhopkins]

Tracks are analysed for gain. I'm tempted to turn off read track gain option and see.

I just get wary when the limit light comes on as the sound will start to clip/distort on the recording, right? Or does it warn too early?!

[daniel clark]

have you tried adjusting the recorded track gain to play at a higher volume ,,

[rhopkins]

:cool: have you tried adjusting the recorded track gain to play at a higher volume ,,

This is the thing, I can't because I've pushed the Master Volume right to the edge.

I edit the recording in Audacity - if I amplify clipping occurs.

So, sounds like trick is to record low and then amplify outside Cross?

[RoJeC]

Could it be the track gain of the mix that is analysed to low.
As mixes easily have some longer silence at beginning or end the analysis results in -12db.

In Audacity you should be able to see track volume for original and recording.

[rhopkins]

Could it be the track gain of the mix that is analysed to low.
As mixes easily have some longer silence at beginning or end the analysis results in -12db.

In Audacity you should be able to see track volume for original and recording.

I'm not listening to my mixes in Cross :-)

I'm listening in iTunes or via Spotify as a local file. Compared to other tracks my recordings are significantly lower in volume, even bough the master volume during the recording was as high as it could be without triggering the warning light on my UMCP2.

[Blackbrook]

I always tend to use the master output at 0dB having head room for any adjustments. Therefore the overall output is lower, but using audacity I can amplify without receiving clicks.

Your last sets all sounded alright, nothing concerning in

[rhopkins]

I always tend to use the master output at 0dB having head room for any adjustments. Therefore the overall output is lower, but using audacity I can amplify without receiving clicks.

Your last sets all sounded alright, nothing concerning in

Hi! ;-)

I always assumed I must've been failing in some way if I had to do that but it's fine if I have to.

Dumb question, how do you know the master output is at 0dB?

[RoJeC]

Just getting more curious...
What OS do you have (maybe add in your signature).
What file type do you record.

Do you have other audio programs active (also think of voip/skype).

Do the 'other' players use a different sc or sc setting (W8 is pretty dynamic on this).

As mentioned best would be to start by using Audicity to see if there are differences in track volume. This shows if it is before or after recording volume issue.

When faders are in 'normal' position (max or 0) and the Main is full open the recording should be line level, just as the source...

If you make the 'track gain' field visible in the track rack you can quickly rule out wrong analysis gain results.. Just to be sure we get a better confirmation what it all isn't that causes it.