MIDI Mapping Vfx Control in Cross 3.0

[bostonDJ]

Hi FigDJ and all,
Last night I mapped the 'Preview Gain' knob on the Vfx Control. This is the knob located under the Analyze & Info section in preview section in the Cross software. I mapped it for a <shift> in conjunction with turning the little Cue knob atop the Locations #1 button on R side on the Vfx Control. This is the little black knob also located next to the Gain A.
This allows me to keep the main mix going out to the crowd at a decent level while being able to boost just the Preview track in the headphones as loud as needed without having to use the mouse. Sometimes its a pain adjusting knobs in the software with the mouse if don't catch it just right.

Question: Is there a way to map the little Start/Stop buttons of the Beatclock in the sampler section of Cross software OR make them reset to original BPM automatically if NO Sync or NO BPM Match buttons have been pressed in the samplers or on the Vfx Control? If not, maybe it could be a programmatic change to the software in the future. It's a pain having to remember to hit the Stop buttons in the samplers if you want an original reset on your BPM for a song about to be played. But I also understand that keeping the BPM's the same help for smooth beat matching of songs.

[FigDJ]

Hi FigDJ and all,
Last night I mapped the 'Preview Gain' knob on the Vfx Control. This is the knob located under the Analyze & Info section in preview section in the Cross software. I mapped it for a <shift> in conjunction with turning the little Cue knob atop the Locations #1 button on R side on the Vfx Control. This is the little black knob also located next to the Gain A.
This allows me to keep the main mix going out to the crowd at a decent level while being able to boost just the Preview track in the headphones as loud as needed without having to use the mouse. Sometimes its a pain adjusting knobs in the software with the mouse if don't catch it just right.

Question: Is there a way to map the little Start/Stop buttons of the Beatclock in the sampler section of Cross software OR make them reset to original BPM automatically if NO Sync or NO BPM Match buttons have been pressed in the samplers or on the Vfx Control? If not, maybe it could be a programmatic change to the software in the future. It's a pain having to remember to hit the Stop buttons in the samplers if you want an original reset on your BPM for a song about to be played. But I also understand that keeping the BPM's the same help for smooth beat matching of songs.

You can map this command
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x1].ClockStartStop (Logic) == "Clock Start/Stop"
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x2].ClockStartStop (Logic) == "Clock Start/Stop"

For samplers C and D respectively. Also, you might want to try mapping an additional command to the same button by using the + sign in the MIDI mapping interface.

I don't believe you have mapped sync for the Samplers as I explained in my last response.

But you could map
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x1].SyncWithMaster (Logic) == "Sync with Master"
together in the same button with
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x1].ClockStartStop (Logic) == "Clock Start/Stop"

Thiis map will sync and start the clock and toggle
to turn off sync and stop the clock at the same time.

When you need sampler to be sync to a master just press sync and when you need the sampler on original BPM just press sync again to deactive sync and stop the clock.

[bostonDJ]

Hi FigDJ,

FigDJ wrote
You can map this command
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x1].ClockStartStop (Logic) == "Clock Start/Stop"
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x2].ClockStartStop (Logic) == "Clock Start/Stop"

For samplers C and D respectively.

Where do I place this code? Do I just click the + sign and type in the above code on a desired button? And under which group? Samplers I presume? Last night I just hit <shift> along with turning the cue volume knob and Cross filled in the desired code automatically in the mapping section. Still not totally versed in mapping...but learning!

FigDJ wrote
Also, you might want to try mapping an additional command to the same button by using the + sign in the MIDI mapping interface.

What is this additional command? And do I create the code in your step 1 above first then go back and hit + sign to create more? Or just add a whole bunch of commands at once in the original creation (+) of the button?

FigDJ wrote
I don't believe you have mapped sync for the Samplers as I explained in my last response.

But you could map
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x1].SyncWithMaster (Logic) == "Sync with Master"
together in the same button with
In&Out fam(Sampler)[0x1].ClockStartStop (Logic) == "Clock Start/Stop"

Thiis map will sync and start the clock and toggle
to turn off sync and stop the clock at the same time.

Where do I place these? Once I learn how to do the above commands...lol...Thanks for bearing with me Fig but I am definitely getting a crash course in mapping.

[FigDJ]

Hi FigDJ,

Where do I place these? Once I learn how to do the above commands...lol...Thanks for bearing with me Fig but I am definitely getting a crash course in mapping.

Upload your current mapping file so I can take a look at what you have.
Currently I don't think you have sync for samplers because your controller original mapping calls the MATCH command to match BPM to master and Shift+MATCH activates sync for the deck.

I can change the behavior to
press MATCH button = sync deck
press Shift+MATCH = sync sampler and start/stop the clock.

[bostonDJ]

Here you go FigDJ. My controller <Match> button and <Sync>+<Match> seem to work fine. Its mainly the stopping/resetting of the Beatclock I am concerned with. See what you think. I named the mappings file Ver.4 which includes all the updates from this post including my 2.
Thanks

VFX4DV4.zip

[FigDJ]

Here you go FigDJ. My controller <Match> button and <Sync>+<Match> seem to work fine. Its mainly the stopping/resetting of the Beatclock I am concerned with. See what you think. I named the mappings file Ver.4 which includes all the updates from this post including my 2.
Thanks

VFX4DV4.zip

OK bostonDJ try these

Version 5 contains all of your version 4 command except as noted below

For for version 5

Deleted
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Shift cue as a way to switch decks
Center button push remains for switching decks

I figured why have the command if it is not used. One button push is a better way anyway.
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Deleted match BPM commands sync commands took the slot
Pressing the MATCH button actually does a Sync command and the Sync LED comes on for decks A,B,C, or D.

Added
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Video Only Volume FadeA = Shift Left Fader
Video Only Volume FadeB = Shift Right Fader

When using deck switch and your deck mode is 2 decks and 2 samplers.

Left Fader = Fader for channel 3 (just as it was)
Right Fader = Fader for channel 4 (just as it was)

but

Shift Left Fader = Video Only Volume FadeC = (controls Sampler video when alternate control selected)

Shift Right Fader = Video Only Volume FadeD = (controls Sampler video when alternate control selected)
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Shift+ MATCH perform a Sync on the Sampler. Of course this command does not work if 4 playing decks are selected.

This command is intended to led you Sync the Samplers witout switch deck selector.

For for version 6

All mods from version 5 plus.

When using the Shift+MATCH buttons for syncing the samplers it also start/ stop the sampler clock.

VFX4Dmaps.zip

[bostonDJ]

Thanks FigDJ. I wil let you know how it goes.

[bostonDJ]

Hi FigDJ,

I tested everything out for about 5 hours this morning. All the updates work and I will use version 6. Thanks. All Sync'ing across decks & samplers work fine. Still the beatclock is not the way I would like it to work but I will have to live with it. Sometimes I like to mix songs with their original BPM's. For example, if I load 3 mp3's into only sampler 1, all at different BPM's:

1) 78.30 BPM
2) 132.60 BPM
3) 136.18 BPM

and I play #1, it plays at 78.30...fine. The BPM lives at 78.30 even if you start #2 or #3. You MUST click the Stop (beatclock) button first to reset the BPM's prior to playing another song. Then #2 will play at 132.60....fine. Then you must click Stop again in order to reset beatclock if you want pad #3 to start at 136.18 BPM. In other words, I have to always remember to click stop (beatclock) if you want to play a tune at its original BPM. I guess this is inherent to the sampler part of the software. So in a 2 deck 2 sampler set-up, I find myself trying to keep just audio in Deck A & B and videos in B & D samplers. You wouldn't want to play a very fast song in a sampler pad and then play a very slow one in the same pad bank side 1-4, and have it come out sounding way too fast or vice-versa.

The other thing is the little + and - (pitch bend up and down) square buttons. These are atop the pitch bend faders. I don't think they do anything on the Vfx. They are supposed to speed up or slow down the song for a brief period when de-pressed then go back to original BPM when un-pressed. Think that's spelled write...

Other than that everything looks great. Than you...

[FigDJ]

The way version 6 is mapped I would just press shift+ Match (sync) to stop the clock.


You can also map the start/stop clock independently to ant other button. Ex: in the case of the Vfx perhaps shift+ arrow ( the ones used to change the loop length could work for you)

The pitch bend works in conjunction with the pitch range. If your pitch range is set at 100% pressing the pitch bend will have a more significant change than if your pitch is set to a low percentage.

If your pitch range is at 4% then pressing pitch bend will have a very small effect.

[bostonDJ]

Yes, I was thinking about the little arrow to map start/stop. It's probably easier to just click start/stop on the software since I'm getting used to it. What would it be listed under in the mapping under MIDI in Cross in case I want to map it? It's probably something I could do...give u a break...lol
My pitch range was set at 8% this morning but will try the 100%. I'm not too concerned since the pitch fader gives more effect dynamically.

My next question, don't know if this is for another post but how do I now get the video output only to show on my HDTV hooked up via HDMI? Is there a good post on this? The manual I have shows literally nothing on how to do this.

Also, do I need this video plugin everyone is talking about or does Cross 3.0 full version already have it built in? (I believe I have the full version).

I only see my Windows 7 OS when I plug in my HDMI cord. It's nice if you want a big screen for using the Cross software...lol...but...
There must be a way to just see/separate the video output (center screen in Cross) on the TV and view only Cross 3.0 on the laptop screen while performing.

Again thank you and I think this mapping on the Vfx is definitely usable.