why is there no way to download timecode

[superdj4life]

I'm not trying to be a "wet blanket" but really? you can download all of your software direct from the site (assuming you pay for the downloads) but you can't download the timecode, it makes almost no sense, and is a real hassle for customers living on the other side of the pond. I'm already own DVS7 and was getting ready to upgrade to Cross 1.7 via the online download, knowing what the software is for why not include Timecodes in the download? I don't mind paying for the TImecode downloads as it was my fault that I destroyed/lost the originals.

[christiankoopmann]

Hey,

the timecode media is copyright protected and only available as buyable CDs on the store. You can also not copy them with an CD/DVD burner! They have a special format which can't copied and your CD/DVD Burner can't do this too.
Also you want free updates and so on so this is the only option for MixVibes to get new money. I buy them every year because sometimes I lost one or they got demage (scratches and so on).

Serato, Traktor are doing this also. ONLY available as buyable CDs on store or Internet.
And when you upgrade to Cross you got a special cheap price because no extras where delivered with (like new CDs, Package, manuel and so on so the price can be lower).

regards
Christian

[christiankoopmann]

BTW: when you upgraded to Cross please put your serial in your personal profil. This forum is a good place to store the key secure. If you lost the email with the key or the printed email you can check here and get it again, Also you can then download the newest version of Cross here on the Forum which is currently 1.7.1.

So please buy new CDs this is the only option you will have which is legal and the best option. Copy the CDs will also decrease the quality because, burnable discs have not the quality like a factory CD.
Do it like me buy a few more and store for backup some at home or in the cases of the CD player then the price for shipping is not as high.

regards
Chrisitan

[superdj4life]

Actually, Traktor does allow for the download(in the users profile on the website) and a simple Google search showed you can download the Serato timecode direct from their page. The other guys (VDJ, Ms Pinky, etc) all each support and allow the download of their respective timecode.

The point about "that's the only way they make money" doesn't make sense. For one I, like most users wouldn't mind paying for the ability to download the discs and since it's a lot cheaper to keep a file than to produce physical discs the downloadable version would generate more profit.

Also, they sell software, hardware through their own channels(DVS Cross, U-Mix ,and Vfx) and have a pretty solid partnership with Pioneer (Rekordbox). Also if it's a matter of copyright and IP protection the software I use is also copyrighted so why do they allow the download of it?

Also I fully understand the discounted price of the Cross download is a direct result of it being a purely digital sale there's no hardware to bundle, or store, also it would make no business sense to try and sale a product full of things a potential repeat user/customer already has( soundcard timecoded vinyl and cd's cables etc.) they had to offer the upgrade like that because no owner in there right mind would spend 300 dollars for a bunch of gear they already have.

p.s. please spare me the technical aspects of burning a disc, since the disc has to be compatible with so many products and follow CD-DA redbook standards they can't be doing that much proprietary stuff to the disc, or it would cause bigger issues like some players not being able to handle the disc correctly.

...just my two cents.

[christiankoopmann]

Hey,

I'm also a user so I can only say my thoughts too but one aspect. I googled Traktor CDs and I got the same information like for Cross that they are copyright and not allowed to copy. Also the first 15 links I can find are all to illigal sides so no official download .
There is also an information on the german page that there is no CD download and a link to thair shop where you can buy them.

To serato okay I found on thair side the download version of thair Cds but there is also the information that this is only for personal and not commercial usage. Also an information that this Cds will not work as good like the original you can buy also only the track one will work (they have also track one for timecode and track to track selection)

VDJ has since day one thair CD free downloads but this is because they have no official CDs for buying (to my knowlege).

To the question with why no self burning discs for audio usage. Do you know how exactly CDs and the burner are working on details? otherwise it is a bit tricky to explane all that it is easy to understand. But copyright and quality are different things and are not total described on the internet or in books.
For audio usage burning allways CDs on lowest speed to get best results.

But fact is MixVibes does not allow to copy or download Timecode media. Maybe a member of the team can say why but in generall I can understand them and I honor thair conditions.

regards
Christian

[superdj4life]

as an engineer, yes I have an decent understanding of how CD-DA, DAO/TAO burning works, the reason the redbook standard exists is to properly describe to anyone how to burn audio discs that are 100% compatible with other devices leaving things out of a standard wouldn't make it very standard now would it?

as far as quality, the CD is digital representation of data, not an analog waveform. as long as the data on the original disc isn't corrupted and the burning software is setup(i.e. disc at once vs. track at once, burn speed, closing write out, encoding settings etc.) correctly there shouldn't be any issues.

as far as copyright issues, I live in the US and the CD even though it's a control signal it is still a audio CD meaning I'm allowed to make a backup as long as I have the original.

Either way it's been fun glad to see the scripts/info the mods get still doesn't cover any important issues. cheers and have a good day.

[christiankoopmann]

as an engineer, yes I have an decent understanding of how CD-DA, DAO/TAO burning works, the reason the redbook standard exists is to properly describe to anyone how to burn audio discs that are 100% compatible with other devices leaving things out of a standard wouldn't make it very standard now would it?

true but the quality you can burn is not the same like the manufactur can.

as far as copyright issues, I live in the US and the CD even though it's a control signal it is still a audio CD meaning I'm allowed to make a backup as long as I have the original.

In germany we have this too. You are allowed to make a copy for personal use and backup but if the CD is copy protected you are not allowed to break the copyright protection.

have also a nice day
Christian

[Blackbrook]

cheers and have a good day.

likewise!

[BennyB]

Well.

To be honest I only use copied timecode CD-s, to keep the original safe.

You can say that I'm doing it bad, but copyright allows to copy CD-s for self usage. If you give them away, or sell them it is illegal, or if you put up an image it is also a crime.

Copied disks works as the original... but I had to buy at least one CD to do it.

I realy expect reactions to this post, because I'm puzzled if It is legal or not. I just use these copies, and never give it to anyone.

[superdj4life]

same here, it's a topic that's come up a few times on the boards, and at least once it seems like the admins sent the user a PM with the discs he needed; however I can't verify that, it's just the way the topic reads and what actions were taken by admins.

I have original discs, they're 5 years old and starting to show it though, and I've already ordered replacements on amazon before I even started the thread. I'm in no way trying to circumvent copy protection, or trying to get by on the mixvibes team they've been awesome (wish DVS would see an update but....) I've also copied the disc and as the mod was saying earlier they weren't nearly as accurate as the original and after about 10 mins of play became coasters on my coffee table. I suspect this has more to do with how the tracks were written and not the actual data, or CD-r medium I used.

as far as I know in the US as long as the disc doesn't contain ANY copy protection (secureROM, Safedisc, starforce etc.) than the owner may make a legitimate BACKUP, but the law also requires the owner to keep the original and be able to produce it upon request.