Cross: VCI 100 und CDJ 400

[DJ Diego]

hab einen Wiederherstellungspunkt gesetzt und Asio4All installiert. Jetzt laufen die 400er wie sie sollen. Neues Problem, Knacken und Aussetzer. Also Latenzprobleme.
Habe gelesen und alles gemacht, Internet aus, alle anderen Programme die ich nicht brauche. Mit den Einstellungen der Soundkarte gespielt, nix.
Was nun?
Haben Tractorer auch diese Probleme?

[Support@MixVibes]

I'm sorry, even with the translator I didn't understand what is the issue, so I did the setup and as expected it works.

You don't need the U46, and you don't need your internal soundcard, so in Asio4all (advanced mode !) remove all the unnecessary things and just keep both cdj400.
The cdj400 ARE your soundcard.

[jaymarkus]

Hier hab noch was gefunden was evtl interessant sein könnte

http://www.mixvibes.com/content/support/Cross/cross-faq

[Blackbrook]

hab einen Wiederherstellungspunkt gesetzt und Asio4All installiert. Jetzt laufen die 400er wie sie sollen. Neues Problem, Knacken und Aussetzer. Also Latenzprobleme.
Habe gelesen und alles gemacht, Internet aus, alle anderen Programme die ich nicht brauche. Mit den Einstellungen der Soundkarte gespielt, nix.
Was nun?
Haben Tractorer auch diese Probleme?

@Support@Mixvibes:
I created a restore point and installed ADIO4ALL. The CDJ400 work as they should. A new problem appears: Crackling and glitches - latency issues. I read everything and done all recommended steps, turned the internet connection off and switched off all useless programmes I do not need. Played with the audio interface settings...nothing. What's next? Have Traktor users the same issue?

You don't need the U46, and you don't need your internal soundcard, so in Asio4all (advanced mode !) remove all the unnecessary things and just keep both cdj400.
The cdj400 ARE your soundcard.

@Diego: Du brauchst die U46 nicht und du brauchst auch deine interne Soundkarte nicht, also im Advanced Modus von ASIO4ALL alle nicht benötigten Dinge ausschalten und nur die CDJ400 an lassen. Die CDJ400 SIND deine Soundkarten.

Greetings, Grüße,

Steve

[Support@MixVibes]

I also have latency issue with my old
C2D 1.6Ghz / 2Go => Vista/Seven/Seven64

I'll try on a stronger computer to see if it is hardware or software related. Hang on !

[Party V I B E S]

:::repeats itself in english after german:::

Ich bin hingegangen und habe auch den ASIO4ALL Treiber auf mein vorher funktionierendes System aufgesetzt. Fortan läuft meine U46 nicht mehr störungsfrei sondern eher superschlecht. Ich habe mich durch die Dokumentation des ASIO4ALL Treibers gehangelt und alles abgeschaltet, was nicht notwendig war, diverse Einstellungen in der Experenversion probiert und die Latenz auf 2048 Samples gesetzt. Trotzdem ist die Soundkarte nicht mehr nutzbar. Der Origial ESI/MixVibes Triber bemerkt die Soundkarte nciht mehr und ist folglich auch nciht mehr anwählbar. 400er CD-Player habe ich nicht zum Ausprobieren da, aber Diego hat mir am Telefon versichert, dass der Effekt bei den eingebauten Soundkarten der Player der Gleiche ist. Jedenfalls brauchen wir da eine andere Lösung seitens der Programmierer, weil es hier nicht mehr für uns User beeinflussbar ist. Und bei professionellem Anspruch sollte es dahingehend eine Möglichkeit geben. Diego ist, was ich "professionell" nenne und ich bin es auch. Und wir müssen beide mit unterschiedlichen Setups und unterschiedlichen Geräten arbeiten. Wir brauchen Hilfe!
Soeben haben wir den Originaltreiber von Pioneer entdeckt. An den hat anscheinend noch niemand gedacht. Diego wird nachher den ASIO4ALL deinstallieren (beiliegende Routine) und den Pioneer Treiber in der Hoffnung installieren, dass sowohl die ESI U46MK2 als auch die beiden CDJ-400 jeweils funktionieren. Ich warte mit Spannung auf das Ergebnis.
Was die Programmierung der VCI-100 angeht, bin ich bei den Jogs auch stecken geblieben, weil Änderungen anscheinend nicht gespeichert werden und damit die Jogs größtenteils ohne Funktion sind. Eine Vestaxkonsole ohne Jogs? Nicht weiter darüber nachdenken... geht mal gar nicht! Ich habe vorhin aus dem Auto eine Mail direkt geschrieben. Mal sehen welche Lösung es da gibt.

Gruß
Ralf

ENGLISH:

I proceeded and installed the ASIO4ALL on my formerly working system. From now on the U46 does not work properly anymore. I read all the documentation about the ASIO4ALL and switched off any unneeded unit, checked the expert settings and changed them in all different combinations. I also set latency to 2048 samples which is really baaaaaaad. But the audiocard stays unusuable. I got plenty of clicks and artefacts. The original ESI /MixVibes driver doesn't recognize the card anymore and is not choosable in the program. I don't have CDJ-400 to check sound of these. But calling Diego made me being sure that the problems are the same with the build-in soundcards of the players. We need a solution from the programmers because this is a problem which is not really changeable by the user anymore. And with the claim to be professional there should be a working solution for this. Diego surely is what I call "professional" and me, too. And we both have to use different setups with different gear. We need help!
While telephoning we just saw the original Pioneer driver. Apparently nobody thought about this possibility. Diego will deinstall the ASIO4ALL (included deinstllation routine) later this day and install the native Pioneer driver hoping that both, Pioneer CDJ-400 AND U46MK2 are working fine if wanted. I'm almost dying to get the answer...
About programming the VCI-100: I got stuck on programming the jogs. Changes apparently are not saved and so the jogs are almost without function. A VESTAX-console without Jogs? absolutely NO GO! I allready wrote an email out of the car because of this. Hope to get a solution back...

Greetings / sincerly
Ralf

[Support@MixVibes]

I proceeded and installed the ASIO4ALL on my formerly working system. From now on the U46 does not work properly anymore.

I really don't understand why the U46 wouldn't work anymore, all my computer have : U-Mix44, Maya44, U46, EKS, Korg, NI and everything else and nothing is wrong with each of them.

The only thing is that you can't have ESI and MV3.0 at the same time.
Here is the one I'm typing from...

soundcards.jpg

I read all the documentation about the ASIO4ALL and switched off any unneeded unit, checked the expert settings and changed them in all different combinations. I also set latency to 2048 samples which is really baaaaaaad. But the audiocard stays unusuable. I got plenty of clicks and artefacts. The original ESI /MixVibes driver doesn't recognize the card anymore and is not choosable in the program.
I don't have CDJ-400 to check sound of these.

But I don't understand, what is the U46 doing into this ? It was about VCI+2*CDJ400.

But calling Diego made me being sure that the problems are the same with the build-in soundcards of the players.

Ok, if I have understood your issue is that your having laggy audio while using a U46 and you can't install its drivers that's it ?

We need a solution from the programmers because this is a problem which is not really changeable by the user anymore. And with the claim to be professional there should be a working solution for this.

Of course but I don't have your issue, only the diego one with vci100+CDJ400 on a very slow machine and I almost said that I'll try on a more powerful computer to see if it is hardware or software related.

Diego surely is what I call "professional" and me, too. And we both have to use different setups with different gear. We need help!

I never said you weren't and I also use different gears on my computer in here to trying to help everyone, everyday.

While telephoning we just saw the original Pioneer driver. Apparently nobody thought about this possibility. Diego will deinstall the ASIO4ALL (included deinstllation routine) later this day and install the native Pioneer driver hoping that both, Pioneer CDJ-400 AND U46MK2 are working fine if wanted. I'm almost dying to get the answer...

The Pioneer drivers will be useless because you don't need them to aggregate.

About programming the VCI-100: I got stuck on programming the jogs. Changes apparently are not saved and so the jogs are almost without function. A VESTAX-console without Jogs? absolutely NO GO! I allready wrote an email out of the car because of this. Hope to get a solution back...

You just need to set the parameters and it is automatically saved by Cross. So when you come back things are still there.
The files are into :
c:\documents and Settings\usersession\Application Data\MixVibes\Cross\Controllers\MIDI
or
c:\users\mixvibes\appdata\roaming\mixvibes\Cross\controllers\MIDI

Check if there is something here, if not then you must have something with the write rights.

[DJ Diego]

Hier hab noch was gefunden was evtl interessant sein könnte

http://www.mixvibes.com/content/support/Cross/cross-faq

Markus, tried it, did not work. Now I will remove the MV U46 driver from my system.

[Blackbrook]

Ich glaube, das was Support@Mixvibes geschrieben hat ist super wichtig:

Entweder U46 Original Treiber ODER ASIO4ALL, nicht beides gleichzeit!

Ich hatte den ASIO4ALL auch mal mit der U46 MK II installiert und der lief tadellos :-/ Am besten mal eine reine Treiberneuinstallation starten oder es klappt mit den Pioneer Treibern. Viel Erfolg!!!

Steve

[Party V I B E S]

Thanks for your FAST answer!!!!

We don't know either why it is not working. We tried a lot on this.

I'm just helping Diego. My system to work with every weekend is not affected. I do all the trials on my former installation with VISTA on a slightly faster C2D with 2x 2.26 GHz/4GB. Usually Cross, Producer and also VFX-CONTROL are working fine on the machine (ask Lionel... ). The U46 works fine with any programmes. But after installing the ASIO4ALL it gets unusable. And on Diego's laptop this also happens with the CDJ-400. It doesn't matter which driver you use (ESI 1.0.x to 3.x or MV 3.x).

Amazing that all the stuff works on your machine. congrats!

Diego has to use two different setups due to different locations:
1st: two CDJ-400 with Cross
2nd: Vestax VCI-100 with U46MK2 with Cross or Producer
His laptop has not enough USB-Ports available so the two CDJs can't be used together with the U46.

The native driver of the U46 was insalled BEFORE the ASIO4ALL and working fine. After installing the ASIO4ALL the sound gets clicking and is getting different artefacts depending on the expert settings, even with maximum buffer.

It's fine that you don't have this issue. I can reproduce it here and my machine is a bit faster than his. We are waiting for your test on a smarter PC very badly.

I apologize! I think you got me wrong / I used much too strong words. I appreciate your daily work and I am fine with MV for 9 years now. Using "professional" was in the meaning of "being kinda forced to use different setups with different gear". I didn't want to treat you bad!!!

I didn't understand the sentence with the Pioneer drivers.

I will check the write rights on the mentioned files directly after this. I checked programming again and I am able to change any buttons and save this but not any settings on the jogs. But I will check the saving files. Thanks for the hint.

bye for now
Ralf