SYNC PROBLEM 2.6

[VDj Sean T]

Hi ,

Just practicing 2 decks video mixing with sample decks . . . The SYNC is not perfect . . I have taken the sync off and adjusting . Pls check this asap. . . I use a lot of samples because the tracks that come today are not good enough to play without pepping it up.

Thanks n Regards,
VDj Sean T

[P_Jean]

Check your beatgrid.

[VDj Sean T]

Check your beatgrid.

Trust me … i always stretch the music bars & then use the grids…. IT can't get any tighter than this. Im sure it the SYNC problem. You name the software … I've used it. . . Except Ableton or any DAW.
Sorry to say this but i learnt from a DMC guy 7 yrs ago in detail, who took the crap outta me to be perfect. This was in Dubai when i joined the Club out there.

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Regards,
Sean T

[P_Jean]

What are your preferences:

Snap on ? and value ?
Quantize on ? and Value ?
Sync link on ?

what is the master player/sampler ?
sync with the samples ? together ? with the player ?

The sync is ok, and if you have this behavior, we need more information .

thk u.

[VDj Sean T]

What are your preferences:

Snap on ? and value ?
Quantize on ? and Value ?
Sync link on ?

what is the master player/sampler ?
sync with the samples ? together ? with the player ?

The sync is ok, and if you have this behavior, we need more information .

thk u.

Snap on - 1/8 Beat
Quantize Value - 1/8
Sync on - Beat
Master - is Player mostly
Sync with the samples? together? with the player?
I don't get this… What do u mean? Is there a setting on this question.
The samples are running all the time… Its mostly the tracks i change & sometimes the samples according to the key of the track.

Cheers.

[djhatch]

im having the same issue... i hope someone from mixvibes can help explain the theory behind sync... for such an easy software to "plug n play" it lacks explanation what each sync setting is and how to use it correctly... why cant mixvibes simplify the entire "sync" system to an easy on/off per deck.. at least with Traktor when sync is sellected, all samples and tracks are actually "sync" togther without any problems.... can someone from mixvibes please respond?

[djphaidon]

Trust me … i always stretch the music bars & then use the grids…. IT can't get any tighter than this. Im sure it the SYNC problem.

Sync has not been an issue, and I've been running Cross for a bit.

Try these settings

Snap [on]: 1 (this means the locators and user modified beatgrid will snap to the beat. Use smaller if you wish, but for all but beatjuggling, you will not use smaller than 1)

Quantize [on]: Doesn't matter, this is only the "retrigger" or "playable" quantization. If it's set at 1/2, you can retrigger every 1/2 beat. 1 retriggers on the beat only

Sync Mode- Cycle, I use this to keep the 1 with the 1 and the 4 with the 4. That way if you mess up a trigger, you can hit sync real quick and the whole thing will be back in shape phrase wise. If you want it to only align to the beat in the bar, use bar, and for beat only, use beat.

Have deck A be the master, and put a really long tech house or techno song on. Make deck B be anything else. IF the songs are grid'd correctly, they will be in sync. All day, every day.

You have to have the correct beatgrid for sync to work, no matter what. I say that, but in my experience, Cross has pretty close to a 95% accuracy with getting the beatgrid right. I have to manually grid 1 out of 100 or so, and probably 4 out of 100 I have to adjust the initial downbeat. This is with new songs, not old and drifting songs. Old songs you WILL have to manually add beatgrid markers and adjust the tempo.

P_Jean was asking, "when does the sync error occur?" Does it happen when a certain deck is master, or when you have both decks playing and both sample decks, or what? When does your issue occur?

i hope someone from MixVibes can help explain the theory behind sync...

Does that help out a little, if not, let me know and I can explain it in more detail

... why cant MixVibes simplify the entire "sync" system to an easy on/off per deck.. at least with Traktor when sync is sellected, all samples and tracks are actually "sync" togther without any problems....

The sync system of Traktor is pretty good, but is not as configurable as Cross. Basically, Cross can be set to have the same exact sync as Traktor, but Traktor cannot have the same features as Cross. Traktor cannot quantize your sync, or sync cyles, only bars.

So, if you want it to act like Traktor, set it to the following.

Snap[on]:1
Quantize[on]:1
Sync mode: Bar
Sync Link[on]

Better yet, mess around with the settings, and figure out what works best for how you spin. If you do instant doubles a lot, you'll probably want quantise [on]:1/2. If you play house, and always want the perfect phrasing, quantize[on]:16.

[VDj Sean T]

Trust me … i always stretch the music bars & then use the grids…. IT can't get any tighter than this. Im sure it the SYNC problem.

Sync has not been an issue, and I've been running Cross for a bit.

Try these settings

Snap [on]: 1 (this means the locators and user modified beatgrid will snap to the beat. Use smaller if you wish, but for all but beatjuggling, you will not use smaller than 1)

Quantize [on]: Doesn't matter, this is only the "retrigger" or "playable" quantization. If it's set at 1/2, you can retrigger every 1/2 beat. 1 retriggers on the beat only

Sync Mode- Cycle, I use this to keep the 1 with the 1 and the 4 with the 4. That way if you mess up a trigger, you can hit sync real quick and the whole thing will be back in shape phrase wise. If you want it to only align to the beat in the bar, use bar, and for beat only, use beat.

Have deck A be the master, and put a really long tech house or techno song on. Make deck B be anything else. IF the songs are grid'd correctly, they will be in sync. All day, every day.

You have to have the correct beatgrid for sync to work, no matter what. I say that, but in my experience, Cross has pretty close to a 95% accuracy with getting the beatgrid right. I have to manually grid 1 out of 100 or so, and probably 4 out of 100 I have to adjust the initial downbeat. This is with new songs, not old and drifting songs. Old songs you WILL have to manually add beatgrid markers and adjust the tempo.

P_Jean was asking, "when does the sync error occur?" Does it happen when a certain deck is master, or when you have both decks playing and both sample decks, or what? When does your issue occur?

i hope someone from MixVibes can help explain the theory behind sync...

Does that help out a little, if not, let me know and I can explain it in more detail

... why cant MixVibes simplify the entire "sync" system to an easy on/off per deck.. at least with Traktor when sync is sellected, all samples and tracks are actually "sync" togther without any problems....

The sync system of Traktor is pretty good, but is not as configurable as Cross. Basically, Cross can be set to have the same exact sync as Traktor, but Traktor cannot have the same features as Cross. Traktor cannot quantize your sync, or sync cyles, only bars.

So, if you want it to act like Traktor, set it to the following.

Snap[on]:1
Quantize[on]:1
Sync mode: Bar
Sync Link[on]

Better yet, mess around with the settings, and figure out what works best for how you spin. If you do instant doubles a lot, you'll probably want quantise [on]:1/2. If you play house, and always want the perfect phrasing, quantize[on]:16.

Thanks a ton for the info…

How to set the Sync Cycles to 4 & also how to introduce markers & set the downbeats???

Kindly let us know the perfect way.

Regards,
Sean

[djphaidon]

How to set the Sync Cycles to 4 & also how to introduce markers & set the downbeats???

Sync mode is in preferences, under the general tab.

3 options; Beat, Bar, and cycle

(These explanations are while starting the track out of sync with quantize off, but I always leave quantization on and at 1 or 1/2)

If you press sync in Beat mode, the synced deck will match to the beat of the master. To the nearest beat.

1...2...3...4... Master
..1...2...3...4... Sync

1...2...3...4... Master
4...1...2...3... sync

If you press sync in Bar mode, the synced deck will match the beat of the bar that the master is currently in. IE. If the master is on the downbeat, the sync will be downbeat. Beat 2, beat 2.

1...2...3...4... Master
..1...2...3...4... Sync

1...2...3...4... Master
1...2...3...4... Sync

If you press sync in Cycle mode, the synced deck will match the beat and bar of the master deck. IE, the synced deck will match bar 1, beat 4, or bar 3 beat 2 of the master. This will match the round circle indicators up, easy way to think about it. 4 bars of 4 beats, and it will match them.

{one whole dance phrase in house music, 1/2 or 1/4 of trance phrase}
1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4... Master
...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4... sync

1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4... Master
1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4...1...2...3...4... sync

To add markers and grids, you want to press the little pencil looking button inside the trackhead waveform. It will only appear if you put your mouse over the waveform. From there, you have the ability to move, stretch, double/half, and add/remove markers, and also define the downbeat.

The "EASIEST" way to grid, is find the first downbeat that distinguishable, and define that as a downbeat. Look through the rest of the song, and see if all the major drops and "thick looking" waveforms line up to the 16 or 32 bar indicators in the whole waveform. If they do, and most of the time they will, you are about 95% sure that the track is grid'd correctly.

A quick way to ensure that it is, is set the SEEK to 32, and click through the track, making sure that the original beat matches all the other beats. If it doesn't, adjust it. If the track drifts, add another grid marker with the plus, and repeat the process for the different section. If you still have a hard time with gridding, get on youtube an look up a tutorial about it, or grab a "snare tick" or "metronome" tick track, and have it play in the other deck while you grid your tracks.

[VDj Sean T]

To add markers and grids, you want to press the little pencil looking button inside the trackhead waveform. It will only appear if you put your mouse over the waveform. From there, you have the ability to move, stretch, double/half, and add/remove markers, and also define the downbeat.


Hi,
I have tried this so many times, when it was released. . . but not good. They used to have something called ( Drop a marker in beat the grid ) . . . Now its define downbeat. Its not like the marker, where we could just mark the bets at any points . I hate this downbeat thingy . i wish there was a video or back to putting markers on the beats manually. I would like that. sorry to say ,,,,, but I'm old school.

Thanks.