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Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 11:41
by nate1950
Any chance I can receive the official Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console? The MIDI assign function can only do so much considering you can't get you LEDs lit and the jog wheel mapping is ridiculously difficult, master volume etc can't be recognized by the software. I mean come on guys this is a great console. Why isn't it supported officially by the team. The DDJ Ergo is and it's not half as good as the DDJ-S1.

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 11:43
by UncleVibes
When we will have this Controller in hands in our booth... Then yes we can do an official mapping.
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Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 11:47
by nate1950
Wow...the controller has been out for over a year now....heck the DDJ-SX is already available...please try to catch up.

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 11:50
by UncleVibes
master volume etc can't be recognized by the software.
If the control button for this function is analog then... how do you want to control it by MIDI? But I don't know yet I never had in hands this controller. If it's MIDI then it must work.

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 11:56
by nate1950
Hey the master level is not really an issue....mapping the jog wheels is way to complicated... everything else works though....despite no LEDs which would also be cool if the option existed in the MIDI assignment utility...lol

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 12:03
by UncleVibes
Hey the master level is not really an issue....mapping the jog wheels is way to complicated... everything else works though....despite no LEDs which would also be cool if the option existed in the MIDI assignment utility...lol


We all agree on that point and push the developpers to do a better MIDI Learn function, including all inputs (done) and all outputs (seems to be much harder)
I ask tomorrow if we can help you further.

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 12:09
by nate1950
Thanks man do hope you get a positive response.

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 25 Dec 2012, 12:10
by UncleVibes
We will have in January a DDJ-SX on test and doing an official mapping for it. I have no idea if it will be compatible with the DDJ-S1

Re: Mapping for Pioneer DDJ-S1 MIDI console

PostPosted: 26 Dec 2012, 02:35
by MusicMeister
It's impossible to map every controller that comes out. The Cross/Mixvibes people have done a pretty decent job of hitting the most popular ones that aren't put out by a company that does their own software (Native Instruments and M-Audio specifically). Keeping in mind that these controllers also represent a very small portion of the controller market as a whole.

That aside, there isn't any standard mapping, and some hardware companies even change from controller to controller. For example, you'd think that Vestax would have a standard for their crossfader, channel faders, pitch and the other key controls from controller to controller - they don't. Each one is different. Which means a mapping for one doesn't work for anything else.

Fortunately, they tend to stick to one process for the jog wheels, but even that isn't 100%.

As for standards, there isn't one. Most use a Note on/off for their LED's but Denon does it completely backwards sending state and then light.

And text? Don't even get me started!

And while you can 'guess' at the MIDI values using a MIDI map, until you get a controller in your hands you can't actually test the mapping - which means it's not practical to release and 'hope for the best'. Especially if it's going to be an 'official' mapping.

Just some of the reasons why they can't map everything.... In the meantime, I have a friend that may be sending me his Hercules controller to map. He'll cover shipping both ways, and I figure a week turn around. I'll map the controller for Cross (if it's not already), Torq, and Traktor (which is what he's wanting). :)

What I'm saying is if you can't do it yourself, see if you can loan your controller to someone else who can. If they know what they're doing and have the time, a few days should get the mapping done and tested pretty well.