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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djmagicmoments on 27 Jan 2014, 03:22

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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djphaidon on 27 Jan 2014, 03:49

djmagicmoments wrote:I thought a picture may help show what I mean...


What's happening is that the software is finding what it thinks is the first downbeat of the song, and placing the grid on top of that. The first line you see isn't always going to be the first downbeat, cause of melodic intros and other stuff at the beginning of the track.

So, in the picture you posted, somewhere down the line from the cue point you're on, there will be a thicker bar that is the downbeat.

I find that for stuff like AC DC, classical, and cocktail music, it will start near the beginning, but most likely not at the beginning of sound. I just jump back a beat or two to the beginning, and drop the hotcue there.
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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djmagicmoments on 28 Jan 2014, 02:15

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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djphaidon on 28 Jan 2014, 07:52

If they are all, or mostly, wedding songs (rock, folk, alternative, ect.), then you might be stuck with them the way they are. Reanalyzing all of them won't fix them, and I'd imagine that it would be the same on any other software. DJ software usually tries to set a 4/4 grid, not a music start grid.

50k songs at 3 mins a piece, you have at least 150k hours of music, likely more. So it literally makes no sense in even trying to grid all those songs accurately. Even if you could grid the start of a track at 1 per second, that's 50k seconds, or 14 hours of gridding.

I would suggest just mapping out a few buttons to skip to the beginning of the track easily, and just hit a locator and play when a song get requested. I have about 9k songs that I will rarely if ever use, and I'm not worried about gridding them when it only takes a few seconds during a gig to grid the start locator.
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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djmagicmoments on 28 Jan 2014, 19:07

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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djphaidon on 29 Jan 2014, 07:49

I agree that for your application, it's a severe drawback. I saw the other post about your suggestion, and if the Dev team is looking at it, then it's in good hands. I have used Cross for several weddings, and I'm just used to throwing the track back a few beats on non-electronic music.
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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djmagicmoments on 29 Jan 2014, 15:34

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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby sylMV on 29 Jan 2014, 16:29

Because most of the people test with electronic music.
And even if one might have reported this issue with 'Live' music, it might have not been considered as a critical issue as the target is mainly electronic music.

By the way, I can't assure the problem will be addressed in a short time. There may be many things to do that have more priority...
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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djmagicmoments on 30 Jan 2014, 01:08

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Re: Used Cross for the first time - WOW, but... a few things

Postby djphaidon on 30 Jan 2014, 08:00

EDM and electronic tracks work fine for me. Even newer Live tracks that were produced to a click track seem to grid/starting beat just fine. The only ones I've ever had an issue with is older drifting tracks, purely instrumental oldies, and acoustic tracks with no beat. Everything else has been spot on.
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