Numark 4trak Querie

[Support@MixVibes]

Without the device, I can't help you on this sorry.

[Activated Soundwave]

Okay had to ask, Iam getting their,

the only major hinderence, is that every time i restart, Cross it has lost some of the previous assigned MIDI controls, that i know where working, the same CC are their in the steup, for some reason it just seems to stop funtioning, until i go back into MIDI control settings and reselect that control,although the controller is still working for other asignments, this also used to happen on my VCI400, so could this be Cross at fault, again just asking incase this has been experienced with other user and their controllers they have setup themselfs ?just trying to troubleshoot and go through the motions, Sorry!

[Support@MixVibes]

mac or PC ?
If PC, check computer security. May be the software don't have right to write in some of his settings file.

[Activated Soundwave]

Their is no Sescurity that can be doing this, I have microsoft security essentails, and that makes no difference to such access when setting up MIDI, and like i say it is actually assigning MIDI and working, but if it was what you suggested then why would it work at all.

Iam having a whole heap of issues with MIDI in Cross, even some basic faders for some assignment: like for instance setting up the individual Sample deck volume (Not the main deck C/D faders)
i have tried all settings as well as what should work as standard, and still i get no smooth movement of the spare 4trak fx fader i try to assign.
i went on to test with a few other DJ software demos including ableton, and this fader/faders behaves the way it/they should. so it does all come down to the MIDI in Cross.
It has been quite a mission, but iam getting their and i am not far of getting my controller setup, just to be let down by a few areas,
Simple MIDI i have setup via production and other DJ software over and over, their is no way it can be anything other than Cross being tempramental, and most likely a bug.

I no i will get no solution and will have to find a work around via using different controls that do seem to work, but I would say that as indepth and confusing as your MIDI implementation seems, it is still lacking or in places overkill, not so user friendly at the moment, why cant we have more settings like in ableton for relative,absolute,more bit modes etc and this is maybe why iam struggling. On the surface Cross seems to have everything covered, but iam not so sure now, seems like some basics are missing i mean you have integra etc but only 1 relative mode, is their no way you can have a auto setup for such basics , surley it can be or add these extra modes like in ableton, their will not be any issues then, we dont need all those extra fine tune settings for the basics,seems overkill we just need more modes after all we are only Talking up and down or round/encoder movement,
Sorry for sounding so negative, I was so near to geting my perfect DJ software setup and now its looking glum and with no resolve at my end this time.

Thanks anyhow for what you have tried to do help wise, just thought i would express my thoughts, As i feel stuck with no where to go and guessing it will all end up being looked apon as a user error,But something is a miss here, i blame on the missing MIDI modes, all i can see!
Thanks for the understanding, and your efforts with an otherwise nice bit of software.

[Support@MixVibes]

the only major hinderence, is that every time i restart, Cross it has lost some of the previous assigned MIDI controls

If it is lost it's because it couldn't be written into the settings file. I bet if you change a few other things they're not properly set when you relaunch.

I don't really understand why you're stuck in the middle of nowhere with the 4trak.
May be giving a hint with the sent messages or by looking into Numark other devices mapping can show you the path.

[Activated Soundwave]

You said other devices mapping can show you the path
Yes this is what has helped me so far, by comparing what works etc.

Iam not stuck in the middle of nowhere with the 4trak, issue 1) just these 2 faders and a couple of encoders that will not evenly/smoothly work in the mode they should in Cross setup and i have tried all setting and all ways for these, i was just baffled at why my other software interprets the basic fader and encoders really easy without this issue, made me think it was Cross, although iam in the proscess of trying to get my hands on a MIDI chart for thev 4trak so that will show what messages are being transmited and recieved i hope.

Issue 2)
I am still confused at the file setting and security issue you think may be the problem, like i say the MIDI setting i make are showing up in Cross and working, its only after i restart Cross do they fail, yet they are still listed as active in Cross MIDI controller setup, and the majority are okay and still working, this confuses me, with what you say, i still dont understand how this can be, why only with Cross and not any other DJ or production software, also everything is run as a administrator. I have also checked the advanced security settings for Cross and i have full control for all catagories/areas, this also include all inheritable permission for this and objects parents,what more can i say, i will look some more into other security areas.

I understand its hard for you at your end to help with such things,
and i thank you for your time,But can you please at least explain the part i have hi lited above why some MIDI and not other ?

Just to add a new find,
one of these failing assignments is the play pause for deck A yet deck B is keeping its assignment and their is no confusion their as their is only one option Suitable;toggle hold, and it backs up my evidence that its not security issue as play pause B is keeping its assignment.i can also reassign this button on my 4trak to another MIDI control in Cross and it can keep it also. its all so tempramental, as it was also the case when i tried setting up my vci-400 in the past i had similar issues.

[Activated Soundwave]

I have just tried some more tests,the play pause assignment seem to be be working now,but i do not know for how long it will stay working, i also tried restarting Cross and the assignment was still okay, i then restarted my laptop and all is still okay, just to rule out anything with the security after my laptop is shutdown. but this does not still make any difference overall as i have quite afew other assignmnets such as the filters and load into deck that still keep failing on times more often than not, yet just to remention, my controller shows as transmitting,i.e the MIDI in/out bar still flashes green.

Sorry for being a hinderence, but no ask no understand and no resolve, so i have to ask such questions, i will keep on all day with trail and error to see what i can figure out.

Thanks

[Support@MixVibes]

1) just these 2 faders and a couple of encoders that will not evenly/smoothly work in the mode they should in Cross setup and i have tried all setting and all ways for these, i was just baffled at why my other software interprets the basic fader and encoders really easy without this issue, made me think it was Cross, although iam in the proscess of trying to get my hands on a MIDI chart for thev 4trak so that will show what messages are being transmited and recieved i hope.

I think I have understood, they must be 14bits so you can use 14bits by checking the box but if we don't manage to support the way they have coded their 14bits you can still use it WITHOUT the 14bits activated.
You will see that when moving the slider, you've got 2 messages sending values by alternate. You need to take the lowest message on the fly and then it will act normally in 7 bits.

Issue 2)

As you describe it now, it seems more like that you MIDI file get "corrupted". In fact it doesn't, I think that when mapping, just before clicking ok, you must touch slighty an other control that will change the command note (happened to me frequently). So you think your command is not working anymore but in fact it have been change just before you have validated it.

Not sure this part was clear but let's say you press play and before you click ok, the jog move a little bit.
Now play is assigned to... the jog ! Not your play button.
So heavily check the note number is not changing while mapping.

Sorry for being a hinderence, but no ask no understand and no resolve, so i have to ask such questions, i will keep on all day with trail and error to see what i can figure out.

Mapping is a very straight process and very easy into Cross, you only need to know the range of each command to use the correct presets and values.
Midiox can help you with that.

[Activated Soundwave]

Thanks for infomation,
i figured out the settings that worked for my encoder, but its just this mini faders i have now, that Probally will need another bit rate iam guessing,as the faders just goes irractice, and i have tried very variation i could manage, waiting on Numark for this info to make certain, Just not sure i understand how i can setup the two different bitrates within Cross, when all else is 14bit and would not work without it.

Reguarding the failing Assignments, i am convinced it is not what you say, as what i have been trying to say is i assign the control and move onto assign others, i then go back to test some of my early control assignments and they are fine all working, so after i have moved on they can not change themselfs,unless i open up the dialogue radio button to do so, I will go back and check again to make 100% certain, but like i say they where all set in stone so to speak, i had moved on and been using these they only failed after i restarted Cross, And i do recall making a mental note of the CC etc
and they where still the same, but i will double check again, as iam familar with assigning MIDI, Ableton live /Presonus studio one infact most do this quite alot if you have a controller with an active function or loose controller part as you say jog etc, and Its not really something i would overlook,always first port of call in such cases of Cross assigning MIDI etc.

Allthough i have not setup the jogs correctly yet as its confusing with the touch jogs and all the selection options that come available,i have just got them on a basic setting for cueing up at the moment,and they are prone to vibration and need sorting after all else. so i could see how this could happen, But i am 99.9% Doubtfull under these circumstances and with the MIDI working after the fact/the settings have been closed and i had moved on, all was fine, untill i restart Cross.
--------------------------------
I will keep you informed, so far its looking good on the whole less these few hiccups.
i have the 4 sample deck controlls per side using the 4trak fx unit
volume/rotary and buttons with 2x4 modifiers so far their for the extra functions, i will also have the global/active setup via the layer button on the 4trak, so imediatley i have all control for 4x4 samples and then the extra via active mode in Cross and the Trak layer.although for on the fly stuff 4x4 samples are fine.So this is why i am desperate to get this mini fader/faders on my 4 trak working, to control the w/d amount of the fx, if i get this working, i have all the major areas of Cross fully covered and felixible on the fly, so it will just be jogs and beatgrid setup via some MIDI control. then some user learning as iam still figuring out downbeat not applying, and also have problems with sync to player for sample decks does not seem to be working, but i think the later things are all user based and i still have to learn the ways of Cross in those areas. the 4 trak really is awsom its like the digital DJ equivelant of getting your first pair of technics 1210s etc back in the day

thanks for your time.

[Support@MixVibes]

Just not sure i understand how i can setup the two different bitrates within Cross, when all else is 14bit and would not work without it.

You can use a 14bits controler into 7bits.

Reguarding the failing Assignments, i am convinced it is not what you say

So may be you have several mappings and Cross doesn't choose the good one but as you said if it is in stone it cannot be changed.

Allthough i have not setup the jogs correctly yet as its confusing with the touch jogs and all the selection options that come available

You only need to know the range of the values in every rotational direction and the note trigger the touch on/off.

So this is why i am desperate to get this mini fader/faders on my 4 trak working, to control the w/d amount of the fx

Check into Midiox what they're sending.

then some user learning as iam still figuring out downbeat not applying

The downbeat can only be set on the beatgrid.

have problems with sync to player for sample decks does not seem to be working

Check if the sampler is linked and his own clock running.