Cross 2.0.1 Bug

[Hannes]

Which ones?

Deck C & D Volume-meters if more Loops loaded.

What about editing the samples gain values ?

impossible on the fly without MPD32 or similar.

[BennyB]

Which ones?

Deck C & D Volume-meters if more Loops loaded.

What about editing the samples gain values ?

impossible on the fly without MPD32 or similar.

Then try them before gigs.

BTW, if it clips, use your mouse and pull down the volume for the pads.
Imagine the playing pads, like the different chanels in ableton. They have to be mixed well, in this case pad by pad to prevent it from clipping.
Try to assign a knob, or an encoder to change active pad volume.

[Hannes]

No offense Ben, but now you really piss me off.

This is for a on the fly situation, no planned out routine, if you only have so many knobs they won't multiply from fairy dust.

Mouse is not an option for swift operation.

I think the scenario was described quite well.

Thx anyway.

[hemskoc]

Hey you should get one of these J-kut:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx

You could fondle all the knobs you could ever want!


But i hear what your saying on a serious note:
its not really a bug ; i think its more of a request for "auto gain on the sampler tracks". I have noticed it too, and think that if it is applied to the decks, the same should go for the sample trigger banks.

Yeah, that Ben dude pisses me off all the time too
Cheers

[BennyB]

Hey you should get one of these J-kut:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx

You could fondle all the knobs you could ever want!


But i hear what your saying on a serious note:
its not really a bug ; i think its more of a request for "auto gain on the sampler tracks". I have noticed it too, and think that if it is applied to the decks, the same should go for the sample trigger banks.

Yeah, that Ben dude pisses me off all the time too
Cheers

But you don't get it...

The sampler is not a toy stuff, with a bunch of slots for sounds.
If you perform live with a lot of samples going on, you have to be aware of the mixing of each sample.
Its basicly on-going mastering of the pads.
This is the level of DJing where everyone must be a Producer a little bit, 'cause you are creating new stuff on the fly.

No offense, but if you don't have the right stuff to control, you have to figure it out yourself how to do.
What I tryied to practice, is that, when I load a sample, I decrease the volume of the loaded pad to half (using mouse scroller quickly), so it is sure can be heared but it is not overvolume.

And after It is done I make sure the frequency bands are not overplayed - for this the prefade volume meter on the channel is perfect. And then when the stuff is already playing, I'm using one hand on the controller and the other hand with the mouse to try to set them to their best level.

There is no similar scanerios on this, if you do it live. Everything is different and autogain does not solve the problems.
It is complitely a level meter and ear duty to do all 8 sample pads live.

I'm trying to figure out how can I use my keyboard more efficiently, as I removed the EQ from the mapping.

What I will try, is that, I assing my "QWERTZ" line of the keypoard to select select pads on active sampler deck (q,w,e,r,t,z,u,i), the buttons under those are volume minus plus, and with shift I'll try to scroll them different mods.
THEN o,p,ő,ú,l,é,á,ű will be the sample triggers for each active deck.

I'm on small setup mixing for a long time, for years only a keybord and a mouse, and VDJ, and Cross, and it works for me, I got used to mousing around.

BTW I suggest this: If you get and LPD8 (which I will get soon), there are 8 pads and 8 knobs, for level control...
Get 2 of them, and you got everything to use the samples, and the placement of the 2 LPD-s are easy cause they are not one big controller...

@J-kut: Sorry for pissing you off, but it seemed to me, you don't understand the principals of using smaples.

[Hannes]

Only serious option is an MPD32 or an APC40, I do have an LPD8 here, and it basically sucks, I hate modifiers/switching layers for basic operation...

If you plan out your sets I agree, what I am talking about is a on the fly remix.

take different parts of the song and re-arrange/layer them.

->no need for leveling, they already have been when the track was produced

mashups I still will do manually (read: 2 Decks and jumping cue-points)


But anyway, if official word is, it´s not being limited my problem is solved anyway.

Nevermind how this OT Discussion about workflow came up....

[Support@MixVibes]

In fact layering/stacking audio even with a limiter will always need some manual control.

The sampler was first created to drop jingles, then we give some remixes flavor to it and it became that sort of beast.
But even if it looks like something to produce, in fact it isn't at all, too many things are missing (EQ, pitch, Fx) and it would be a beast to control.

From my DJ side you need to have minimalistic audio into the pads (kick, snare, synth) not full chorus loops with all the instruments and voices together.