MixVibes 7.218 with American Audio VMS 4.1 Jogwheel mapping

[OnkelHorscht]

Hello everybody,
I want to use the Jogwheels on my VMS 4.1.

I get this with MIDIOX:

If I spin the left jogwheel clockwisely
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
00063519 1 -- 90 4F 7F 1 G 5 Note On
000637DF 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
000637DF 1 -- B0 30 42 1 --- Control Change
000637F3 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
000637F3 1 -- B0 30 43 1 --- Control Change
0006381B 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0006381B 1 -- B0 30 44 1 --- Control Change
0006382F 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0006382F 1 -- B0 30 45 1 --- Control Change
00063839 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
00063839 1 -- B0 30 47 1 --- Control Change
00063843 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
00063843 1 -- B0 30 48 1 --- Control Change
0006384D 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0006384D 1 -- B0 30 49 1 --- Control Change
00063857 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
00063857 1 -- B0 30 4B 1 --- Control Change
00063861 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
00063861 1 -- B0 30 4C 1 --- Control Change
0006386B 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0006386B 1 -- B0 30 4D 1 --- Control Change
00063875 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
00063875 1 -- B0 30 4E 1 --- Control Change
0006387F 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0006387F 1 -- B0 30 4F 1 --- Control Change
0006389D 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0006389D 1 -- B0 30 50 1 --- Control Change
00063B59 1 -- 80 4F 40 1 G 5 Note Off

contraclockwisely
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
0007A117 1 -- 90 4F 7F 1 G 5 Note On
0007A2B1 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2B1 1 -- B0 30 68 1 --- Control Change
0007A2BB 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2BB 1 -- B0 30 67 1 --- Control Change
0007A2C5 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2C5 1 -- B0 30 66 1 --- Control Change
0007A2CF 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2CF 1 -- B0 30 65 1 --- Control Change
0007A2D9 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2D9 1 -- B0 30 64 1 --- Control Change
0007A2E3 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2E3 1 -- B0 30 63 1 --- Control Change
0007A2ED 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2ED 1 -- B0 30 62 1 --- Control Change
0007A2F7 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A2F7 1 -- B0 30 61 1 --- Control Change
0007A30B 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A30B 1 -- B0 30 60 1 --- Control Change
0007A31F 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A31F 1 -- B0 30 5F 1 --- Control Change
0007A347 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A347 1 -- B0 30 5E 1 --- Control Change
0007A35B 1 -- B0 31 78 1 --- Control Change
0007A35B 1 -- B0 30 5D 1 --- Control Change
0007A5EF 1 -- 80 4F 40 1 G 5 Note Off

I use this mapping:
// JOG left
#b0 30 JOG2 1 1.000000 300 NOCHANGE INVERSE
#b0 31 JOG2 1 1.000000 300 NOCHANGE INVERSE
#90 4f 7f PRESSWHEEL 1 1 100 NOCHANGE INVERSE
#80 4f 40 PRESSWHEEL 1 1 100 NOCHANGE INVERSE

If I spin the jog clockwisely the track is moving forward.
If I spin the jock contraclockwisely the track is moving forward again
Which commands I neet to use for the correctly mapping?

Can anybody help me?

Best regards

[Support@MixVibes]

Here you're dealing with a 14bits jogs unit.

You can map it using only the lower frame B0 30. You can see into midiox that B0 31 don't change value.

#b0 31 JOG2 1 1.000000 300 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER INVERSE
You can try to increase 300 to 600, 800 to have better feel between real/virtual move distance.
If it acts backward simply remove the INVERSE parameter.

I remember that the VMS4 was sending non conventional messages, this mean by not doing thing like established by a standard, they need to have specific coding for handling hence why we ask American Audio to do an other firmware for us with respectful MIDI handling. May be the VMS4.1 still have the issue but I'm not aware of this as I never had one in hands.

[OnkelHorscht]

Thank you for your response:

Now Im using this:

#b0 31 JOG2 1 1.000000 300 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#90 4f 7f PRESSWHEEL 1 1 100 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#80 4f 40 PRESSWHEEL 1 0 100 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER

If I spin the jog clockwisely the track is moving forward for 2 seconds and then the moving will be slowly and then stopped and the track is moving backward. But is spin the jog clockwisely again and again an so on. If I start with spinning the jog contraclockwisely its the same. The track is moving forward after 2 second tracktime its moving backward.

I tryed this:
#b0 30 TREB 1 0

If i spin the jog clockwisely the treble is going up and in the other direction the treble is going down. I can control the direction pefectly. What I have to do to control the dirction of the track with the jog?

[Support@MixVibes]

There is another command for the jog : JOG
and the touch is a switch that should have the same note number but on/off, like :

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#b0 31 JOG   1   1.000000   300   JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#90 4f 7f PRESSWHEEL   1   1   100   JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#90 4f 0 PRESSWHEEL    1   0   100   JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER

[OnkelHorscht]

There is another command for the jog : JOG
and the touch is a switch that should have the same note number but on/off, like :

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#b0 31 JOG   1   1.000000   300   JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#90 4f 7f PRESSWHEEL   1   1   100   JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#90 4f 0 PRESSWHEEL    1   0   100   JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER

Okay I used this.
I spin the jog clockwisely and continuously without stopping, the track is moving good but after 8 seconds the track stops and is starting for a second slowly and is then moving good till the next stop and so on. If I spin the jog contraclockwisely its the same like I
described before. The track is moving forwardly and stops and moved on....

I tried this (changed b0 31 into b0 30)

#b0 30 JOG2 1 1.000000 300 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#90 4f 7f PRESSWHEEL 1 1 100 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER
#80 4f 40 PRESSWHEEL 1 0 100 JOGPOLLING JOGTIMER

I spin the jog clockwisely and continuously. The track is moving good forward without stopping. If i spin the jog into the other direction the track is moving forwardly further.

I need to know how I can move the track backward?

[Support@MixVibes]

I have looked into the other devices and they're all working on this scheme, if the VMS4.1 doesn't it is probably because they have done something not so common.

EDIT : most of the jogwheels are starting in relative mode from a center value and go to max or min values depending on the direction and speed.
In your case, the jog is sending absolute position, so the last value from where is start is always different.

[OnkelHorscht]

You mean VMS 4.1 and Mixvibes cannot work together?

[Support@MixVibes]

Not shure DVS/MV7 can handle it and if it can I don't know how.
EDIT : Infinite variable encoder are supported, but not the 14bits.

[Marxon]

Hi all!

All encoders on the vms sending theire messages values with this uncommon wraparound. I never saw this scheme before.
FOr now i have 2 suggestions:
Suggestion 1:
Use MidiOX to reset/set the jogwheel value to zero first when the touch message is received
Suggestion 2:
Use GlovePIE or Bome´s MIDI Translator and save the jogs last value in a temporal variable to do an absolute/relative conversation.

But i will try to find a solution without external tools this evening...

Best regards
Marxon

EDIT

Not shure DVS/MV7 can handle it and if it can I don't know how.
EDIT : Infinite variable encoder are supported, but not the 14bits.

If infinite variable encoders are supported and only the 14bits are the problem then there is only a "14bit relation convertion" needed.
I try to make a MidiOX definition

[Marxon]

Hi again,

i made a little script for glovepie http://glovepie.org/GlovePIE045Free.zip
It translates the vms 4.1 jogdial messages to the
normal center value and -> min/max scheme.
The output gets routed to a virtual MIDI cable like midiyoke.
You have to select midiyoke 1 as second MIDI device in mixvibes.
Attention: mixvibes receives now the orginal values from the MIDI controller AND the transformed values from glovepie
so you cant MIDI learn the jogs. You have to map them manually.
Here is a first concept just to test if i am on the right way.
Copy the script into the GlovepieEditor, edit the config part and hit run.
I dont own a VMS controller so please reply if its working correctly.
Improvements will follow......

Best regards Marxon