Cross ::: my thoughts

[dj persio]

due to the poor quality of services of updates and fixes, and tired of waiting, as mentioned early in this same post, i could not wait more for a stable and reliable software, so i BOUGHT other company software (S.....) wich i wont mentioned for decency reasons,

so guys, keep the good work, but dont mess with other company way of leaving, as this software is not yet stable for pro use,

sorry!!!!

DJ Persio.

[hemskoc]

Man thats a really sad thing ...

Look, I hope you guys @ Mixvibes take note because i too also use this software for work, not for my bedroom. Maybe I think from this example from DJ persio, it might be better to release bug fixes more often, rather than try and fix ALL the known problems in one update.

I think its awesome you guys add more features, but Im not so much for additional features, but more to try and get the ones that exist improved and/or fixed.

I know the Beta is being tested for both DVS and Cross as we speak, but just from the amount of people on the forums that have been asking for the next update for the last few months, i think that proves that it is better to release small fixes more often, rather than all in one go. If there is something wrong or more bugs after it gets passed beta and is released, how long will we have to wait for the next fixes?

I purchased DVS in 2004, and have stood behind this great company, used this software professionally since then, and i too am getting frustrated.
I just bought Cross recently, and thought there would be less problems...well i thought.....
I have 8 shows for this month, and i have used Cross for the last 6 shows, and it has crashed on me 3 times out of 6 shows. Not a great track record. Im not feeling to confident about using it for the next 8, and i too hope the update is very close. Might have to go back to stable DVS....

Look all i have for this company is positive vibes for all the users of the software, the users of this forum, and i want to stand behind, and promote the products that you create.

I really don't want end up doing what DJ persio has done, and go with a competitor. I have stuck with u guys for the last 6 years for a reason. People used to laugh at me for bringing a laptop to a show...but look at almost every DJ now!

Its just my thoughts. Much love
(sorry for the long post)
cheers

[Support@MixVibes]

Cross beta is running for almost 3 weeks and Cross rc run internally since friday : this might tend to prove that we're working.

Obviously there is something for Cross on the way...

I don't know where Mixware take the assumption of MIDI learn for this release.
There is no improvement for the MIDI in this coming release. There are too many things to do on the MIDI side and it would have took too much time to be in this one and that would have delayed the release for twice the time (if not 3 !!!).

[UncleVibes]

I don't know where Mixware take the assumption of MIDI learn for this release.

October meeting in Paris. Obviously there are some delays...

[hemskoc]

Cross beta is running for almost 3 weeks and Cross rc run internally since friday : this might tend to prove that we're working.

Please, i know the developers/engineers, and all the staff @ Mixvibes work very hard, and are a small to medium sized company. I have never claimed or thought you guys did not work hard enough. It is not a question of work ethic; it is more to listen to the consumers of your products.

Mixvibes USED to release bug fixes MORE often during the pro 5, DVS6 series and early on when DVS changed to series 7, and i dont know why you have changed that policy in the last 6-12 months.

I DO NOT want to use Cross if this is the trend of what is going to happen with this new software. I Cannot afford to be a test subject to a laboratory. At least i would get paid for that.....(i would get dissected at the end of the experiment though)

I dont think it has hit home to you that THIS IS MY JOB..... I love my job.
This software is my tool for work.
As a DJ, it makes me look bad, as it looks like i cannot operate the technology/machine that i am using.
I cannot afford to loose gigs.
"Once your name becomes 'mud', it will stick to you!"

THIS IS MY JOB GUYS

That is all i am trying to get across, as it is the people who help pay your wages that are missing out.....

I can only guess it has to do with money

THIS IS NOT A HATE LETTER, ONLY MY ADVICE/ FRUSTRATION FROM A LONG TIME USER AND CONTRIBUTER TO THE FORUM.

Mucho love
Cheers

[Blackbrook]

Hey everybody,

since now I am totally happy with DVS and the next few days/weeks my Cross will arrive. I have tested the demo before and it works good. But in fact I could not test it over some hours because of the time reduction for the use of the demo. I am a bit more than a bedroomer but I never earned money for spinning records. That is why I cannot feel like hemskoc or all the different DJs out there having trouble with a crashed Cross that destroys her show and costs money the booker denies for the "bad quality" of their show. So I can understand all those out there that are angry and this is why I agree with hemkoc when he is saying that it might be better to fix some bugs instead of implementing other features. On the other hand I would be happy if there will be a MIDI learning function to use my MIDI controller to load tracks and search the mediabases.

The guys working on Cross have to decide what they will work on: more features or less bugs. As you can see it is hard to fullfill everybody's needs :-(

Greetings,

Steve

[hemskoc]

Hey everybody,
I am a bit more than a bedroomer but I never earned money for spinning records. That is why I cannot feel like hemskoc or all the different DJs out there having trouble with a crashed Cross that destroys her show and costs money the booker denies for the "bad quality" of their show. So I can understand all those out there that are angry and this is why I agree with hemkoc when he is saying that it might be better to fix some bugs instead of implementing other features.

Thanks Steve....Look, I earn enough money in a weekend to go and buy a competitors product, but i want to help the 'small guy' of the DVS industry. All i have is respect for Mixvibes....I am not angry, just frustrated . I just want the best for everyone that uses their products. I have stuck by, and used their product since 2004 for this reason alone. We have an incredible online community of help and knowledge here too.

On the other hand I would be happy if there will be a MIDI learning function to use my MIDI controller to load tracks and search the mediabases

Yeah, i would love the MIDI option too, but i would like the software to operate smoothly first. If the software is not stable, how can you use the MIDI functions?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Cheers

[UncleVibes]

I DO NOT want to use Cross if this is the trend of what is going to happen with this new software. I Cannot afford to be a test subject to a laboratory. At least i would get paid for that.....(i would get dissected at the end of the experiment though)

There is since today an RC version of Cross 1.30 try it please. [PC] Cross RC 1.3.0 & releases notes & [MAC] Cross RC 1.3.0 & releases notes

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Cross RC 1.3.0
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Build settings
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RC build.
Copy protection active.

Notes
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Previous version: 1.2.5.

Please uninstall any previous version before installing this one.

MPX file format has been fixed and updated, the MPX files generated by Cross products from version 1.2.7 won't be reloaded by any previous version (1.2.6 or less) !!


/*\ VERY IMPORTANT /*\

We now recommend to not use any external phono preamp (i.e. featuring RIAA correction) for the vinyl control input. You must chose "Phono" input level in the preferences and let Cross deal with the raw input signal.
The more your soundcard amplify the input (i.e. hardware preamp without RIAA correction), the better will be the timecode analysis.
Cross applies an RIAA correction in "bypass mode" (Line Input on the Cross mixer) so that you can play regular vinyls as previously.


Changes from 1.2.5 to 1.2.6
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ENHANCEMENT: The audio settings are now only written when explicitly changed through the audio settings panel.
ENHANCEMENT: Some graphical details have been improved.
ENHANCEMENT: You now have the possibility to always decode (as much as possible !) any file into memory, to avoid cache misses due to direct streaming. The maximum RAM that can be used for audio caching is chosen in the preferences.

FIX: As many channels as possible are now enabled by default when a soundcard is chosen.
FIX: Italian translation in Windows installer were buggy.
FIX: Vinyl timecode analysis could fail for latencies below 128 samples.

Changes from 1.2.6 to 1.2.7
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ENHANCEMENT: Vinyl timecode analysis has been improved and is now more robust and accurate.
ENHANCEMENT: A Speed Threshold for Scratch detection (external control in "Master Tempo" and "Hybrid" modes) has been added so that coarse bending (especially on CD decks) can be achieved without temporarily switching to "Speed" mode.
ENHANCEMENT: The gain range in the external control preferences is wider.
ENHANCEMENT: In external control mode, the bpm display has now one decimal.
ENHANCEMENT: Clicking back on the relative mode button when it's in its warning state now resets "pitch" and "reverse" (get rid of the warning mode).
ENHANCEMENT: Some graphical details has been fixed, the skin has been updated.

FIX: Loop changes (in and/or out) were not always saved into the peak file.
FIX: In the external control preferences, the "calibrate" buttons could stay lit even after the calibration had been completed.
FIX: Getting into the lead-in zone of a track entirely cached in the memory could crash the app.
FIX: Some words were discarded when entered in a tag field (e.g. "Minimal Techno" ;))
FIX: MP4 (mp4, m4a, acc, etc.) tags didn't support japanese characters.
FIX: In CD control mode, (very) low speeds could be mishandled.
FIX: In the audio preferences, the scrollbars of the input/output lists weren't reseted on audio device change.
FIX: Calibrating an external control could crash the app.

NEW: Japanese language is now available in the windows installer.

Changes from 1.2.7 to 1.2.8
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ENHANCEMENT: Try to better handle mixings of Latin and more complex alphabets (e.g. Japanese).

FIX: Several graphical details has been fixed.
FIX: At first startup, Cross could fail to open an audio device.
FIX: When loading a track using the control media browsing track, there could be a non-negligible time gap before the control media gets the control back.

NEW: The lead-In zone is now the same for the track and the control media.
NEW: In external control mode, a seek (needle drop) into the control media lead-in zone get the position back to the beginning of the song.

Changes from 1.2.8 to 1.2.11
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NEW: Add a brand new skip-proof vinyl relative mode.
NEW: Add 45 rpm mode for external control.
NEW: Add full 7" vinyl support.

ENHANCEMENT: Improve vinyl relative mode anti-dift.
ENHANCEMENT: Remove audio clicks that could appeared when the TC vinyl was about to stop.
ENHANCEMENT: The audio settings have been simplified to ask the user to select pair of channels.
ENHANCEMENT: Input channel pairs can now be routed independently to players (A and B switch + line in).
ENHANCEMENT: Cross now displays if a file is encoded using VBR method or not.
ENHANCEMENT: Cross run at lower latencies than before.

FIX: The Cross session (*.mpx) saving could fail and make it impossible to reload the file later.
FIX: Cross could get stuck while decoding some weird mp3 files.
FIX: At first launch, Cross could start without selecting any audio device.
FIX: The "calibrate" button in the external contorl preferences could remain lit.
FIX: Modifications on an existing loop were sometimes loss on the next load.
FIX: Cueing a track (playing wile pushing "cue").
FIX: Cross could crash when recovering from sleep mode.
FIX: BPM sorting failed in the Collection.
FIX: External control media calibration failed when the power threshold was too high.
FIX: On Windows, the Cross window state could be loss between two sessions.
FIX: The collection table cells had sometimes an incorrect width (resulting in an unwanted truncated display).
FIX: The license file could get corrupted and prevent Cross from correctly reading it (the user had then to enter his serial each time...)

Changes from Beta 1.2.11 to RC 1.3.0
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ENHANCEMENT: Improve scribble scratch sounding with external control.
ENHANCEMENT: Disable the infinite zoom display of the beatmatcher at zero speed.
ENHANCEMENT: Remove useless columns in the iTunes pane.
ENHANCEMENT: Remove useless routing modes in the audio preferences.
ENHANCEMENT: Hide gain knobs in External Mixer mode as they're useless.
ENHANCEMENT: The Analysis task has been fixed, you can now add/remove any track from the analyis queue without cancelling the whole !
ENHANCEMENT: The players now use the Analysis Task to analyse the loaded tracks, preventing the analysis from disturbing the audio playback...
ENHANCEMENT: Default lead-in is now 2 seconds.
ENHANCEMENT: Big mp4 files can now be streamed (Audio Cache 0%).

FIX: A small audio click could be heard on "cue pause" (button up).
FIX: The state column wasn't refreshed till you right-clicked the line.
FIX: Having two MIDI devices with the same name (Vista/Seven) crashed the MIDI preferences.
FIX: The session saving process could crash.
FIX: Some collection pane columns were editable whereas their values weren't (bitrate, file type, etc.).
FIX: The Missing Song Manager could crash when deleting all the missing tracks.

[Jim B]

I saw on Laruent's (MixWare) newsletter that MIDI learning will be in the new update as well.

Now that would be very cool

[Support@MixVibes]

Mixvibes USED to release bug fixes MORE often during the pro 5, DVS6 series and early on when DVS changed to series 7, and i dont know why you have changed that policy in the last 6-12 months.

I DO NOT want to use Cross if this is the trend of what is going to happen with this new software. I Cannot afford to be a test subject to a laboratory. At least i would get paid for that.....(i would get dissected at the end of the experiment though)

What make you feel like a subject test ?
Very often bug fixes releases OR one release fixing most of them all ?

I dont think it has hit home to you that THIS IS MY JOB..... I love my job.
This software is my tool for work.
As a DJ, it makes me look bad, as it looks like i cannot operate the technology/machine that i am using.
I cannot afford to loose gigs.
"Once your name becomes 'mud', it will stick to you!"

THIS IS MY JOB GUYS

What would you thing if everyday (or week) there was an update fixing 1 or 2 bugs ? Won't you be upset ?

That is all i am trying to get across, as it is the people who help pay your wages that are missing out.....

I can only guess it has to do with money

No, it's all about time, it's all about having the maximum return on founded bugs, it's all about not knowing how it work for each others.

THIS IS NOT A HATE LETTER, ONLY MY ADVICE/ FRUSTRATION FROM A LONG TIME USER AND CONTRIBUTER TO THE FORUM.

Mucho love
Cheers

Please, do a full session@home with the new 1.3rc and let me know what you found as bugs still laying in there.
We have improved things on the analysis side that should made the system crass less.

If all the Cross users heavily test this 1.3rc, we can have a very strong final release. Each case is one...