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Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 11:44
by Hannes
Hi guys,

What you think of a louder and therefor deeper cut timecode,
I mean the resolution is high enough but the vinyl itself is not skip-proof enough imo.

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 12:37
by UncleVibes
Already very loud. Use high frequency for high accuracy.

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 12:40
by Hannes
I meant the cutting itself, no offense, but compared to other TCV Cross´s skips pretty easy :neutral:

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 12:41
by Blackbrook
Do you know what is the first point people are talking about when I try to show them how Cross works? The loud timecode! The first thing all Traktor Scratch users say: "Wow, why is your timecode that loud? Mine is more silently". For club use this does not matter, but for using it at home, if you are living together with other people, i.e. your parents or girlfriend, it can become hard.
How about a deeper groove but no louder timecode? I mean is it possible to cut the timecode deeper without making it louder?
http://www.vinylrecorder.com/trebles-de.html

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 20 Jan 2012, 12:51
by Hannes
Steve knows my words: deeper groove exactly what i was trying to say

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 21 Jan 2012, 23:45
by BennyB
The answer is not clear.
Vinyl grooves are "v" shape, if you make the groove deeper, less amount of grooves you can put on a disc.

The problem is, that when you make the master disk, you have to cut the grooves with a cutting machine designed for this.
It is fully mechanical, and has limitations.
If you put higher pressure to the cutting head, you can make deeper grooves, but Wawes can be distored, because you increase the tention in the material, so the waveform will be distored a lot, and it is pretty hard to make one.
And making a master disc is a one shot thing, if you screw it up you have to do it again. And of course, that stuff got two sides...

After it's complete of course, comes the Negative copy of the master disc, from which other discs will be molded out.

I guess I didn't said stupid stuff....

BTW, if you wanna know how vinyls are made, check these out :)




Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 22 Jan 2012, 10:18
by Blackbrook
DzsoniB wrote:The answer is not clear.
Vinyl grooves are "v" shape, if you make the groove deeper, less amount of grooves you can put on a disc.


True!

DzsoniB wrote:The problem is, that when you make the master disk, you have to cut the grooves with a cutting machine designed for this.
It is fully mechanical, and has limitations.
If you put higher pressure to the cutting head, you can make deeper grooves, but Wawes can be distored, because you increase the tention in the material, so the waveform will be distored a lot, and it is pretty hard to make one.


True! But ;) there are different types of building masters. The master itself in your video is made of aluminium, so it should not be that huge problem or am I wrong? There is a lot of fine mechanics which can cut in µm ;)

DzsoniB wrote:And making a master disc is a one shot thing, if you screw it up you have to do it again. And of course, that stuff got two sides...


True! It is the most expensive part of creating a vinyl!

DzsoniB wrote:I guess I didn't said stupid stuff....


True ;)

DzsoniB wrote:BTW, if you wanna know how vinyls are made, check these out :)


Nice videos! Thank you!

Addition from my point of view: Creating deeper grooves does decrease the timecode length (i.e. about 8 - 9 minutes) but in fact you still can use this endless groove which is already on today's timecodes so if you are playing tracks which lengths is greater than 8 - 9 minutes it will not be that huge problem ;) And j-kut was asking, he is a scratcher/turntablist/whatever who, from what I can talk about, do not really need 8 minute long timecodes, right? ;)

Thanks for discussing this!

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 22 Jan 2012, 11:02
by Jim B
Great info in this thread.

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 22 Jan 2012, 11:18
by Hannes
True,
I also think most people never need more than 7 minutes of timecode.
Shure if you´re playing crazy loops and trance stuff with durations >10 minutes then the current timecode isnt long enough either. ;)

just checked my library and the longest tune i actually play is 14:35 long...

So maybe two different tc-sides woud be great again :mrgreen:

@Steve: shure, you know my mixes. I dont tend to let tracks play for longer than 4 minutes very often, but in fact a more skip-resistant tc would be nice ;)

Offtopic.HorsSujet!
i wouldnt consider myself a turntablist, i just lack the necessary skills. but i once was told i´m a "skratching party-bitch" :lol:

Re: Louder timecode -> less skipping

PostPosted: 22 Jan 2012, 15:43
by BennyB
I guess we will see new stuff with Cross 2.0.

Untill then, I'll timecode with CD :D