Cross 3.4.3 vs Cross 4 - where are we now?

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Cross 3.4.3 vs Cross 4 - where are we now?

Postby rhopkins on 31 Jan 2021, 07:42

So a couple of years after the release of Cross 4, how does it compare to 3.4.3?

I've always found the latter to be extremely stable and as I've posted recently I was relived it worked well (for now) with the Apple M1 chip.

But I do get a sense that I might be missing out by using DJ software that is 4 years old.

When I last tried the Cross 4 demo upon its release their seemed to be a few issues, but I wondered how far it progressed?

[*]Anyone know if it is M1 compatible including with hardware?
[*]I could be wrong, but I thought initially there was something wrong with how effects were applied?
[*]Is there full compatibility with the U-Mix Control Pro 2?
[*]I see semi-regularly that requests for Cross 4 manual are met with a negative reply - is there REALLY no manual for it?
[*]Is Cross 4 dead, as in there aren't going to be further updates to it?
[*]Finally - and this is the big one - for those that stayed loyal to 3.4.3, is 4 now better or best to stay with what I have?

FWIW I'd upgrade to Cross DJ 4 because its unlikely I'm going to be using timecode vinyl again anytime soon.
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Re: Cross 3.4.3 vs Cross 4 - where are we now?

Postby RoJeC on 31 Jan 2021, 11:32

rhopkins wrote:...I wondered how far it progressed?

[*]Anyone know if it is M1 compatible including with hardware?
[*]I could be wrong, but I thought initially there was something wrong with how effects were applied?
If I recall right this has been fixed. Now all 3 per deck are applied.
[*]Is there full compatibility with the U-Mix Control Pro 2?
This is technically not really possible. Cross 'talks' to the driver if present in the OS. As the manufacturer of the the U-Mix Control Pro isn't MW it will only work till the OS change driver standards.
[*]I see semi-regularly that requests for Cross 4 manual are met with a negative reply - is there REALLY no manual for it?
no. Last manual is v2.6 with additions in Youtube for later versions. (I must ad mit as owner of some software titels I also stopped this as it's extremely costly and holds back devellopment)
[*]Is Cross 4 dead, as in there aren't going to be further updates to it?
[*]Finally - and this is the big one - for those that stayed loyal to 3.4.3, is 4 now better or best to stay with what I have?

FWIW I'd upgrade to Cross DJ 4 because its unlikely I'm going to be using timecode vinyl again anytime soon.

For me v4 just doesn't do it. For starters I find the grid hard to read and further to me the buttons and features more or less are randomized/hard to find. Also some (for me) relevant buttons don't exist no more but fortunately still accessible by MIDI/Keyboard. I merely use v4 for answering question in the forum.

I suppose one of the worst issues is that they had to use a new grid development tool that doesn't have the capability to support the 'layers' per row the old version had so unnecessary rows had to be added to get the buttons (most) available at all.

I did some testing of modifying the grid to get it better as initially the product was supposed to have this as a feature. I did get it some better for me (I e.g. changed fonts/sizes/back&foregrounds) with the objective to get it towards my favorite design (the v1.7 version :redface: ). However as I didn't know if there was a way to compare this for upgrades I just quit this and went back to 3.4.3.
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Re: Cross 3.4.3 vs Cross 4 - where are we now?

Postby rhopkins on 31 Jan 2021, 12:19

Sounds like I should stick with what I have.

A little surprised about the Control Pro 2. It’s Mixvibes hardware but it sounds like you’re saying it isn’t fully supported?
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Re: Cross 3.4.3 vs Cross 4 - where are we now?

Postby RoJeC on 31 Jan 2021, 14:07

The U-Mix Control Pro was designed by/with MV in the era DJ controllers hardly existed. Like a lot of devices from the 00's it's a matter of time before new developments end backward compatibility.
E.g. MS changed audio specs in current OS versions which made it impossible for old soundcards to function (or just with limited functionality using the default MS driver).
Both mem and chip specs likely are not even capable of holding the firmware that would be needed to work with 32bit+.

Nowadays controllers are developped by quite some manufacturers (though not as many as a few years ago).
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Apple store new user? first read viewtopic.php?f=259&t=34199
Manual alternative link: ? https://www.mixvibes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/cross-dj-user-manual.pdf
Audio dropouts? Increase audio 'buffer size' value.
FAQ iOS / Android / PC / MAC http://www.mixvibes.com/help/
Soundcard not available/working? Try the 32bit version of Cross (is also installed).
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Re: Cross 3.4.3 vs Cross 4 - where are we now?

Postby Hanginon on 07 Feb 2021, 15:05

rhopkins wrote:So a couple of years after the release of Cross 4, how does it compare to 3.4.3?

250 Licenses sold worldwide for V4.2 vs 2996 for V3.4.3 should tell you something!!

For most of us, V4 was DOA. We have raised issue after issue about it, both here on the Forum, as well (in my case) private PM's to "THE TEAM". ZERO response!

The other major DJ software's have fixed their issues, have stayed current with hardware integration, plus some have moved to Neural Mixing (real-time stems).
#fixV4.2
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