Jog Wheel Issues...

[Mariu5]

Here in Cross, CD mode jogs like I want ONLY when the track is playing and then it won't jog at all when the track is stopped.

In vinyl mode, I find the jog behavior when the track is stopped to be okay but when the track is playing, things happen that I don't want. Garg!

[daniel clark]

kinda lost as to what you are trying to get out of the jog wheels ,, explkain ,, might not understand exactly what your looking for

[daniel clark]

re read your post,, they way you explain it is how it should work ,,U-Mix Control Pro acts they way you describe ,,,,has to be in the mapping ,,out of my expertise ,,

[Mariu5]

Okay, I'll try again.

So when I was using VDJ, my four decks basically had three states.

1. Empty, a state/status that isn't relevant to this conversation so we'll move on...

2. Track is loaded into the deck but is not playing//looping etc.

3. Track is loaded and is playing/looping.

I have these same three states for my four decks in Cross. Empty, loaded but no activity, and finally, loaded and active.

In state 2//loaded but no activity, I want to be able to spin my jog wheels in either direction by spinning them and have the playhead move back and forth slow or fast in response my spinning which be slower or faster. The pitchbending that comes from this kind of activity is irrelevant to me. I know it will happen but I don't care. What I have now in Cross' CD deck mode is a big ole' nothing. I can move my wheels when the track is stopped and nothing happens. Actually, that's not entirely true. I can see the plus or minus symbols light up and start giving me a percentage of pitchbend that supposedly is happening but there is no movement of the waveforms across the playhead. I want that movement. I want the track to actually jog back and forth because I'm moving my wheel...and I want this to happen regardless of where I touch my wheel.

In state3//loaded and active, the track is playing or looping which we all know is just playing the same piece over and over and so basically it's just playing. The waveform is moving from screen left to screen right across the playhead at whatever speed I set it too and the the date is turned into sound and goes to the House blah blah blah....in THIS state, I want to be able to touch and spin myy wheels and have them speed the track up a bit or drag it slower if I'm spinning the wheel in the other direction. I want this to happen regardless of how I touch the wheel. In vinyl mode, if I touch the wheel on top rather than on the side, the track stops as if it were a vinyl record on a turntable and I just put my hand on it which prevents it from turning. When I let go, the track starts to move again. I do not want this. I want only to jog and not stop. I'm not a vinyl//scratch DJ, it's not my gig.

[Mariu5]

Daniel, I see you posted again before I could post again because I wrote a long post.

Arrggh! Oh no! The mappings wrong? I don't a DAMN thing about midi-mapping. I don't how to fix this. I have a gig in about eight days and I'd really really rather not roll back to VDJ and my older controller. Is there a pretty decent tutorial around about remapping my wheels in specific?

[daniel clark]

re read your post ,, understand you want the jog to not stop the motion of the track ,hard to understand as to the jog is supposed to elimiulate the action of a turntable ,, so if you touch it with out any forward/backward motion it is doing what is asked of it ,, not shure how this action is reconized in the other software ,, maybe i just dont understand ,, only have experience with the U-Mix Control Pro and turn tables ,,

[Mariu5]

It's why all the various kinds of DJ software have a behavior set that's supposed to emulate vinyl AND a different set that's supposed to emulate a CD Player. These input devices don't do the same thing, right?

Sure...if I put my hand down on a vinyl platter on a turntable, my touch will likely stop the vinyl from turning on the turntable. This totally makes sense and it's how things are supposed to work....

...but a club CDJ doesn't do that. If you touch wheel, the playing track doesn't stop.

This is how it works in both VDJ and Traktor but I can't be sure about Serato's DJ program because I've never messed with it.

Like ya said before Daniel, I want something that is very very standard and normal. If have track loaded into my CD player in the club and I want to scrub the through the track, while it's stopped using my CD player's jog wheel, I should be able to take that functionality absolutely for granted. The two of us shouldn't even be having this conversation.

[Mariu5]

I'm going to go ahead and ask the MIDI guys over in the other forum if they can help me too.

[daniel clark]

Daniel. I have a gig in about eight days and I'd really really rather not roll back to VDJ and my older controller.

what older controller ,, have you tried this controller with Cross and does it act the same

[Mariu5]

Wonderful...I CAN'T post in the midi-mapping forum. Sigh...

My older controller is an MC6000 mk1.

The ONLY reason I invested money in Cross is because I couldn't afford to purchase a new version of VDJ that supports the MC6000 mk2. VDJ costs a lot more money which is something I don't have right now.

Cross advertised that my new MC6000 Mk2 was supposed to work out of the box and be supported natively since November (I think) of 2014.

I don't want to mess around with my old Mk1 and I shouldn't have to. My new controller should work. If I wanted to use my wheels in vinyl mode, then it DOES work. My jog wheels work exactly how they are supposed to in Vinyl mode already. There's nothing wrong the jog-wheel hardware on my Mk2. Furthermore, if I used the "needle search" functionality in Cross, my jog wheels will sorta/kinda do what they are supposed to in CD mode but the A, the sensitivity is WAY too high and B, I have to use a second hand to hold my shift key down to engage this behavior. These are two conditions that are unacceptable. One hand to jog. One. That's how it's supposed to work. In any case, even if I could use needle search to jog//scrub the playhead of a stopped track in CD Mode, that's a hack. That's a work-around that shouldn't be necessary.