Harmonic Mixing

[World Wide Panik]

Alright now I got a couple live net shows done and I got a "little" confidence under my belt I'm trying new things for example (the reason I'm doing this topic also): you can mix up the scale easily 1-12 and down to an extent but going from 11 to 1 sounds fine but going from 1 to 11 (within 3 to left or right is fine from what I remember) sounds like 2 trains hitting each other.

Why is that?

[Patch]

You should be able to go from 1 to 11, or 11 to 1 with no trouble. Harmonic Mixing SHOULD work well if you go:

1 step to the left, right or adjacent point on the harmonic wheel
7 steps to the left or right

It's all to do with harmonically compatible notes in the key of each record you play.

[hemskoc]

Some softwares doesnt always analyze every song correctly too. Dont forget that. there are articles on the net relating to this. So it could be the anaylize is incorrect
Should be fine scaling up or down the number wheel.
Cheers

[World Wide Panik]

Thank you both. I use Mixed In Key for analyzing and yes it does have hick ups at time for BPM so I wouldn't see why it wouldn't for key also.

[Camelot]

Alright now I got a couple live net shows done and I got a "little" confidence under my belt I'm trying new things for example (the reason I'm doing this topic also): you can mix up the scale easily 1-12 and down to an extent but going from 11 to 1 sounds fine but going from 1 to 11 (within 3 to left or right is fine from what I remember) sounds like 2 trains hitting each other.

Why is that?

The only perfect harmony mixes are between adjacent keycodes. If you go up 2 or 7 keycodes, this "modulation mix" should not overlay melody or it will sound terrible. Recommend you overlay "free beats" before the incoming melody, and fade 100% to incoming song before melodies can clash.

At +7 keycodes you are increasing the key by one "semitone" (e.g., from "D" to "E-Flat"). At +2 keycodes, you are increasing the key by two "semitones" (e.g. from "D" to "E"). Either a +7 or +2 keycode modulation mix will provide an "energy boost" as long as you do NOT overlay melodies (or bass lines).

[hemskoc]

At +7 keycodes you are increasing the key by one "semitone" (e.g., from "D" to "E-Flat"). At +2 keycodes, you are increasing the key by two "semitones" (e.g. from "D" to "E"). Either a +7 or +2 keycode modulation mix will provide an "energy boost" as long as you do NOT overlay melodies (or bass lines).

Do u work for MIK? hahaha ive seen this post on the MIK forum, but it makes more sense that you drop it onto an empty beat, rather than the melodic part of one or the other tracks, as i tried this method, and was more of an energy flop than boost! (as i hadn't seen the former part of your post - 'free beats')
Cheers for that info

[World Wide Panik]

I never have a problem with overlaying bass lines so far. If one is more overpowering I usually drop it down bit so you still got both but one is more dominate than the other.

I forgot who told me but side stepping the beats works like a charm also when they seem to clash.

[Camelot]

Do u work for MIK?

No. I was mixing harmonically long before MIK came along. I started with the original Harmonic Keys (Florida) in 1986. I invented the Camelot Easymix System in 1991, created harmonic-mixing.com a few years later, and recently sold rights to MIK. I am now working with MIK in creating an online database for musician-keyed tracks at http://www.camelotsound.com.

[UncleVibes]

I was mixing harmonically long before MIK came along

Hello, welcome on Mixvibes forum! Thanks for sharing some experience...

[World Wide Panik]

No. I was mixing harmonically long before MIK came along. I started with the original Harmonic Keys (Florida) in 1986. I invented the Camelot Easymix System in 1991, created harmonic-mixing.com a few years later, and recently sold rights to MIK. I am now working with MIK in creating an online database for musician-keyed tracks at http://www.camelotsound.com.

Gonna have to get a lifetime membership for this site. Looks awesome.