Is Cross DJ the same as just Cross?

[Jim B]

@Mutant Beach Party

If you purchase Cross they you won't have to pay a extra $60 for HID at a later date

And as djphaidon has said it's cheaper than most DJ softwares out there at the mo

It's a no brainer IMO.

[Mutant Beach Party]

Traktor has so much more going on though, and HID support is included for $90. You can't really honestly debate that Cross is better than Traktor in terms of feature set, customization, looks, etc. They're pretty much the big fish right now. Granted I don't even use a laptop to DJ anymore, so I was thinking that for what I need, and coping with my workflow, that rekordbox integration could be really nice for building playlists for my flash drives. Could save me some time and headaches, but the matter of principle is that I'm not going to pay $50 for freaking HID control. If the "DJ" version was $75 and HID was $25 more, I'd still be pissed in a small, keep-it-to-myself kind of way, but doubling the cost of the software is absurd. Most companies give HID support away, because duh, they want you to want to use their software. It's not complicated like timecode is. It's turning a CDJ into a glorified qwerty keyboard. Follow me? I'm being price gouged because I have Pioneer gear, plain and simple. There is no possible way to justify doubling the cost of the software for something as simple as HID.

[djphaidon]

But you aren't just getting HID, you are also getting timecode, which has been stated. Your requirement is that one niche requirement that puts you in an unfortunate spot, but it doesn't mean that it's a bad deal because of the price. MixVibes has chosen to include HID into its "premium" feature set, instead of the basic, and is still only $10 more than basic traktor.

And hate to say it, but if you are complaining over $50-$99 using all Pioneer gear? Really? And yes, you can honestly debate that Serato, Traktor, VDJ, Mixxx, Cross, or Ableton is better at any feature set, cause that's what a debate is, a logical contention in argument between two opposing viewpoints, from which yours will probably differ from mine.

AND... if all you are doing is is building playlists and syncing to Rekordbox, you don't need HID! You can prepare stuff in Cross, and use all the cool stuff it does, without using your computer to DJ from, cause that's all you are planning on using Cross for anyway. You pretty much basically said you don't DJ from a computer anyway, so why are you worried about it besides the fact that it irks you or your wallet?

For your use, Cross can do rekordbox colors, Traktor can't
Cross has smart folders, traktor doesn't
Cross has "EVERY" control HID mapped to CDJ 2000s, "reverse" even

[Eric inVIBES]

@Mutant Beach Party

your argument is mainly based on the Traktor price but

NI wants to kill software competitors since 2012 then they have slashed the price of traktor of 61% see this article http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/04/ne ... osoftware/
NI wins money with their hardwares and can underprice the software
but if NI will be alone in the market, you will see the price raising.
On the other hand, the Traktor updates are not free

if you compare to others softwares as djphaidon said ((Virtual DJ pro 299$ for example), Cross is not expensive

[Mutant Beach Party]

$50 for HID is absurd. That's my only argument. $99 for good software isn't bad, but it is only $50 if you don't have CDJs. Gouging Pioneer users. Period.

[sylMV]

You don't know what HID is, and believe me, that's not just a matter of "mapping".

However, you are right on one thing, Cross DJ without HID should be more expensive, because if it was 200$, paying an extra 50$ wouldn't be a problem...

Period.

[FigDJ]

Traktor has so much more going on though, and HID support is included for $90. You can't really honestly debate that Cross is better than Traktor in terms of feature set, customization, looks, etc. They're pretty much the big fish right now. Granted I don't even use a laptop to DJ anymore, so I was thinking that for what I need, and coping with my workflow, that rekordbox integration could be really nice for building playlists for my flash drives. Could save me some time and headaches, but the matter of principle is that I'm not going to pay $50 for freaking HID control. If the "DJ" version was $75 and HID was $25 more, I'd still be pissed in a small, keep-it-to-myself kind of way, but doubling the cost of the software is absurd. Most companies give HID support away, because duh, they want you to want to use their software. It's not complicated like timecode is. It's turning a CDJ into a glorified qwerty keyboard. Follow me? I'm being price gouged because I have Pioneer gear, plain and simple. There is no possible way to justify doubling the cost of the software for something as simple as HID.

I get it , you like Traktor better. I am all about helping out fellow DJs and promoting a very solid product that has the best support in the industry and that is Mixvibes Cross.

1. I know for a fact that you won't find people as dedicated to the customers and fellow DJs as the Mixvibes team and the people that provide support in this forum. (note that I am not bashing anyone else or any other product just stating the pure facts)

2. A DJ software product could be great but it is nothing without support. That is what happened to Torq DJ and it is something that is not likely over here. I am not going to bash Native Instruments but just by doing some research you can tell where is that support going.

Finally, I recently won a contest using Mixvibes CrossDJ and there were DJs using Serato and Traktor. You must use the software that works best to suit your needs. I won a Traktor Kontrol S4 with full Traktor 2 software and Traktor Scratch Pro 2. I have no use for any of this things but I understand that your workflow needs may be better met by Traktor.

Over here you can buy CrossDJ and accumulate karma point by helping other DJs. Karma points can be redeemed for software or equipment. That is how I got Cross free of charge.

Since I am (and all of us here) are about helping DJs and care about customer satisfaction I will make you a deal.

Buy Cross (the one with DVS and HID) If you don't like it then you rescind your license of Cross so we can donate it to someone else that wants it. I will give you free of Charge all the Traktor software which is still un- open in virgin condition. Since you feel that you might be taken for a fool in the pricing that should compensate you sufficiently and you don't ever have to come back to this forum and complaint for special treatment.

[daniel clark]

:cool: the choice is yours to make ,, again welcome

[Mutant Beach Party]

You don't know what HID is, and believe me, that's not just a matter of "mapping".

However, you are right on one thing, Cross DJ without HID should be more expensive, because if it was 200$, paying an extra 50$ wouldn't be a problem...

Period.

I mean, HID is, in this case, USB human interface device class, right? I'm not saying I could just sit down and code the necessary drivers for you or whatever, but I have a pretty good grasp of what it is for a layman. Generic HID profiles are what mice and keyboards use so they all don't need to come with their own set of drivers. Obviously a CDJ is not a generic device, so I realize it takes someone with more programming knowledge than myself to create the necessary drivers for something like Cross. Nonetheless, there are thousands of other products in every imaginable industry that use HID for one thing or another. There are lots and lots of programmers out there with the knowledge to implement it without doubling the cost of the software. Timecode is a way more industry specific thing, and I understand that there are patents involved in some cases (though i believe there are open source options as well), so it is probably expensive any way you do it. I assume that at least a significant portion of the $50 goes toward that. I don't need timecode though, so I don't see why i have to pay for it, especially when i don't even get timecode vinyl or CDs to go with it? It can't be that bringing HID to Cross cost as much developing the software up and to that point.

I'm just talking value here people. It's the doubling of the cost, not the total that I take issue with. I'm sure it is good software. Not trying to offend anyone.

[daniel clark]

:cool: the choice is yours to make ,, again welcome

:cool:

in 2006 Cross up grade at version 1.25 was priced at $99, i know because that was way more inexpensive than the other software ,, the features implemented over this time frame was well worth it ,,. so matter what prices are of others the overall value has increased ,, you are not offending any one ,,your opion is yours ,to express as my statment was and is ,,the choice is yours , make your self happy ,,